Turnovers

**Ficklone02** · 09-17-2012, 01:46 PM

I think our offense will improve as the year goes on. Seems the units Mess coaches tend to do that.

**Cydkar** · 09-17-2012, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by awd4cy

Did you see the blocking he got from the 2nd string O-line? I don't think that it could have been any worse. I'm not sure how much of Barnett's performance we can take away from that.

This. At least early on in his chances Barnett had no chance. We left early though (3 hour drive).

**ISUonthemove** · 09-17-2012, 01:51 PM

Our defense will give us the opportunity to win 8 games or more. Unfortunately, if our offense continues to turn the ball over like it has, we will win 5 or 6.

**dburgie** · 09-17-2012, 02:19 PM

Jantz's 70% plus completion rate is great improvement from last season. It seems to me that fumbles have been the bigger issue with turnovers as opposed to interceptions. Either way though, we will be a better team if we take better care of the ball.

**isufbcurt** · 09-17-2012, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Ficklone02

With Jantz I wish we'd just get rid of the read option & run stuff that is more his strengths. More 4 verts & play action type stuff. I have not been big on Jantz, but at some point you do have to look at the coaches since its their job to put the players in a position where they can succeed. If Jantz is not good at running the read option, then it shouldn't be surprising that turnovers continue if we keep making him run that.

Steele has only had one turnover running the zone read (at Iowa). The fumble the other night he was running downfield and stretched the ball out.

Zone read is our bread and butter running play. Pistol has not worked for us yet (as in not more than a 2 yard gain) when we have run it.

We'll be fine, look at the other position groups Mess has coached here at ISU, all turned out to play pretty good, especially special teams.

**Kickedinthenuts** · 09-17-2012, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by bos

I think thats what frustrates me the most. We have a ton of experience and some above talent with so much potential. Tighten this junk up and we could be a major threat.

Without the turnovers against Western Illinois we almost certainly have a performance that the fans were expecting. Dominant on the field and the scoreboard. It's hard to be disappointed with a 34-point win, but we did fail to cover...

**Kickedinthenuts** · 09-17-2012, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by awd4cy

Did you see the blocking he got from the 2nd string O-line? I don't think that it could have been any worse. I'm not sure how much of Barnett's performance we can take away from that.

True, it would have been nice to see JB get some reps with the first team OL, but he clearly made some bad decisions that were completely on him and he looked very rusty. The near pick to the DE could have been a disaster, and that play is DESIGNED to draw in the DL. That one was all JB.

**awd4cy** · 09-17-2012, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Kickedinthenuts

True, it would have been nice to see JB get some reps with the first team OL, but he clearly made some bad decisions that were completely on him and he looked very rusty. The near pick to the DE could have been a disaster, and that play is DESIGNED to draw in the DL. That one was all JB.

I will agree with you there. That was horrendous and that play was all on him.

**FootballinTexas** · 09-17-2012, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Kickedinthenuts

True, it would have been nice to see JB get some reps with the first team OL, but he clearly made some bad decisions that were completely on him and he looked very rusty. The near pick to the DE could have been a disaster, and that play is DESIGNED to draw in the DL. That one was all JB.

Looked to me like the RT was supposed to cut the DE and he whiffed. They didn't replay it so I couldn't tell for sure. Someone correct me if im wrong. BTW, whoever that RT is has a rough night against that DE. He was the cause of a lot of the pressure JB was getting.

**d4nim4l** · 09-17-2012, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by FootballinTexas

Looked to me like the RT was supposed to cut the DE and he whiffed. They didn't replay it so I couldn't tell for sure. Someone correct me if im wrong. BTW, whoever that RT is has a rough night against that DE. He was the cause of a lot of the pressure JB was getting.

This is correct. Just watched the replay. Almost completely whiffed on him.

Barnett's pick over the middle was exactly what I thought it was when I saw it live: an adjustment by WIU based on film and a bad route by Bundrage.

WIU moved their coverage to the middle and Bundrage originally ran what looked like a hitch and then came into the middle of the field. Ball was kind of late/Bundrage wasn't there. Three WIU guys made the pick look completely awful.

**FootballinTexas** · 09-17-2012, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by d4nim4l

This is correct. Just watched the replay. Almost completely whiffed on him.

Barnett's pick over the middle was exactly what I thought it was when I saw it live: an adjustment by WIU based on film and a bad route by Bundrage.

WIU moved their coverage to the middle and Bundrage originally ran what looked like a hitch and then came into the middle of the field. Ball was kind of late/Bundrage wasn't there. Three WIU guys made the pick look completely awful.

Ok. I saw they rolled the coverage to the short side of the field. On the play he checked to Bundrage on the fade they rolled to wide side and manned tge short side. probably expecting a bubble screen