Where is the Offensive Creativity?

**demoncore1031** · 09-29-2012, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by peteypie

My idea with Tiller and Jantz in the backfield in a shotgun isn't so stupid now is it? At least it would make the defense second guess what we are doing. Which one do we snap to, do they throw or run????

"hey didnt that guy used to be a QB"
"i think so"
"should we change up our d"
"nah, they wont get more than a few yards anyways"

**Doc** · 09-29-2012, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by peteypie

We struggle at them because the defense knows it's coming.....here's an idea, mix in something new!@>???

Oh, try something new? What a novel thought.

**Clonefan94** · 09-29-2012, 11:04 PM

I'm not saying we should implement any trick plays. I don't like gimmicks. But we have to stop living and dying by the zone read. At least the way we run it, We need to do more play action off of it if we are going run it as much as we do. And Jantz has to learn how to actually give it to the running backs.

**cyclonefan15** · 09-29-2012, 11:05 PM

Ive only got a chance to watch tonight's game and the tulsa game. because i live i CA and dont get all the ISU coverage out here but i saw in the tulsa game Messingham was on the sideline and i dont think i saw him there tonight. That may or may not be a factor. On a side note why dont we try a WR reverse pass with tiller throwing it.

**kilgore_trout** · 09-29-2012, 11:05 PM

you don't think the defense should score all the points?

**peteypie** · 09-29-2012, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by cyclonefan15

Ive only got a chance to watch tonight's game and the tulsa game. because i live i CA and dont get all the ISU coverage out here but i saw in the tulsa game Messingham was on the sideline and i dont think i saw him there tonight. That may or may not be a factor. On a side note why dont we try a WR reverse pass with tiller throwing it.

If you are making fun of my earlier post, I swear to god i will find you....

Edit: If not novel idea, i wish i had it....

**DistrictCyclone** · 09-29-2012, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Doc

Steele had as many sacks as completions for a good chunk of the game. I was one of the few that wasn't too happy about getting rid of Herman (I think Rhoads needs an independent OC he clashes with sometimes), but it's hard to be an OC when you have to be concerned with the blocking problems we were having. We tried some of our bread and butter early and it just didn't work and left Mess with a mess.

You're right, the line was total **** tonight.

**CycloneErik** · 09-29-2012, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by kilgore_trout

you don't think the defense should score all the points?

With our offense, I think the defense needs to score some more.

**fatkid1974** · 09-29-2012, 11:13 PM

The old Tampa Bay Bucs coach John McKay had a quote concerning the "execution" of his team. He replied "I'm all for it". I'm "All In" for the execution of our offense.

**00clone** · 09-29-2012, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Doc

It's hard to run many trick plays when:

1) You can barely get 2 1st downs in a row to sustain a drive.
2) The D is getting ridiculous penetration.

After today, I just wish I was getting some ridiculous penetration.

*edit: By 'getting some', I'm referring to being on the giving end, not receiving end, I felt like I was getting that during the game.*

**HighOnCy** · 09-29-2012, 11:20 PM

Creativity or not, it was VERY clear we were out coached on the offensive side of the ball. Disappointing with two weeks to prepare. Either Mess is having a larger learning curve than anticipated or Rhoads needs to light a fire under his ***.

**cyclonefan15** · 09-30-2012, 01:10 AM

just a novel idea. not making fun so calm down.

**CychoCyclone** · 09-30-2012, 01:20 AM

I do have to say I am not at all impressed so far with mess, we are incredibly predictable... It makes it damn hard to execute plays when the D knows exactly what yoir doing...

**InCytful** · 09-30-2012, 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by 00clone

After today, I just wish I was getting some ridiculous penetration.

*edit: By 'getting some', I'm referring to being on the giving end, not receiving end, I felt like I was getting that during the game.*

Glad you edited that. If you were out behind our oline tonight though, you'd have definitely been on the receiving end.

**InCytful** · 09-30-2012, 02:06 AM

I don't think it's a problem with predictability as much as it is with execution. When you have linemen coming free up the middle hitting Jantz, you have execution problems. When you have blitzing players hurdling James White as they did on that last interception, you have execution problems. When your QB drops the ball with no one around, you have execution problems. I do believe that Messingham sucked on play calling today, as he never seemed to adjust to Tech's schemes, but the execution of those plays he did call was poor at best. I vote for eliminating bye weeks from ISU's schedule, as we suck after the bye...