SCOUTING TCU DEFENSE AND OFFENSE

**GoClones123** · 10-01-2012, 08:48 PM

I only saw bits and pieces of the KU game, and now I wish I had watched more. What style of Offense do they run? What style of Defense? I have no real insight on them as a team.

**cyguytillidie** · 10-01-2012, 09:12 PM

They are a spread offense. I believe their starting RB is hurt.

**hawkfan2679** · 10-01-2012, 09:18 PM

Do they still run that 4-2-5 that got a lot of press the last few years because they were so good with it?

**cyguytillidie** · 10-01-2012, 09:22 PM

I didn't think their D was suppose to be that good this year but they are ranked in the top 10.

**jdoggivjc** · 10-01-2012, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by cyguytillidie

I didn't think their D was suppose to be that good this year but they are ranked in the top 10.

Which is why, as bad as pretty much the entire offense played on Saturday, I'm not ready to give up on this season yet. I do still think there are problems with this offense, but going into this game everyone thought that Texas Tech having a top 5 defense was a joke, and when their defense owned our offense, instead of considering that perhaps the numbers weren't lying about Tech's defense we all automatically assumed that the problem solely existed with our offense.

IF Tech's defense is that good, then we won't face a better defense this year and our offensive performance should be better in upcoming games. But one conference game is not really a good sample size (yeah, I know, Iowa game).

**cyguytillidie** · 10-01-2012, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

Which is why, as bad as pretty much the entire offense played on Saturday, I'm not ready to give up on this season yet. I do still think there are problems with this offense, but going into this game everyone thought that Texas Tech having a top 5 defense was a joke, and when their defense owned our offense, instead of considering that perhaps the numbers weren't lying about Tech's defense we all automatically assumed that the problem solely existed with our offense.

IF Tech's defense is that good, then we won't face a better defense this year and our offensive performance should be better in upcoming games. But one conference game is not really a good sample size (yeah, I know, Iowa game).

Definitely agree with this. That's why I'm really hating the Jantz trashing after this game.
-Tech has a great D
-Oline was terrible
-WR were locked up

Really don't think Barnett would have made much of a difference.

**cyguytillidie** · 10-01-2012, 09:55 PM

But if we are going to run that much read option, might as well play Barnett.

**cycophagus** · 10-01-2012, 10:19 PM

I watched most of TCU @ KU, and it was ugly. It was early season, of course, and the first Big 12 game for both coaching staffs, so I don't think there was much to take away from this game. What I've since learned is that TCU is playing a lot of younger players, including 15 freshman. They are ranked 15th due to their consistent perfomance over the last 8 years, and a solid win over Virginia. TCU will be be favored Saturday, but ISU's depth and experience will give the Cyclones a big advantage.

TCU is also coming off of an emotional game at SMU, which is their traditional rivalry. TCU is from Ft Worth, and SMU is from Dallas. TCU is more the Iowa in that rivalry, whereas SMU is the Iowa State. Given their youth, they could come into this game a little flat. There will be a buzz on the TCU campus this week, given its their first time hosting a Big 12 game, so lets assume they will be pumped.

**GoClones123** · 10-01-2012, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by cyguytillidie

But if we are going to run that much read option, might as well play Barnett.

I agree with this ^

If we are sticking with the zone read we might as well play Barnett, he is alot better at it than Jantz. Barnett was recruited for his ability to play the zone read, he played it in high school, he is very comfortable with it. I also think that if ISU cant connect with any recievers down field, and we are throwing shallow flat passes, then Jantz's supposed arm strength means very little.

**simply1** · 10-01-2012, 10:58 PM

Enough threads on jantz/barnett already, let's hear about TCU. :)

**Wesley** · 10-01-2012, 11:46 PM

TCU looked like the 8th or 9th best team in the B12 for the KU game. They may be prime for picking if we can avoid turnovers for dessert.

**ia8manfan** · 10-01-2012, 11:47 PM

Based on the bits and pieces I've watched of their Virginia and SMU games, thier offense is not all its cracked up to be. If we can pressure Paschall we can hold them under 17 points. SMU QB (UTtransfer) Garrett Gilbert was 15-40 passing, but still managed to outgain TCU's total offense.

**peteypie** · 10-02-2012, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by cycophagus

I watched most of TCU @ KU, and it was ugly. It was early season, of course, and the first Big 12 game for both coaching staffs, so I don't think there was much to take away from this game. What I've since learned is that TCU is playing a lot of younger players, including 15 freshman. They are ranked 15th due to their consistent perfomance over the last 8 years, and a solid win over Virginia. TCU will be be favored Saturday, but ISU's depth and experience will give the Cyclones a big advantage.

TCU is also coming off of an emotional game at SMU, which is their traditional rivalry. TCU is from Ft Worth, and SMU is from Dallas. TCU is more the Iowa in that rivalry, whereas SMU is the Iowa State. Given their youth, they could come into this game a little flat. There will be a buzz on the TCU campus this week, given its their first time hosting a Big 12 game, so lets assume they will be pumped.

Kind of like when we were pumped starting 3-0, hoping for a win and a possible ranking and hosting our first big 12 game for the year? I hope so.

**FDCy83** · 10-02-2012, 06:39 AM

If TT defense is really the best we will see, and I doubt that, then I have a little less to worry about with our offense. TCU is vulnerable for the CPR special on a ranked team on the road. We just have to execute on the offense better to limit mistakes and play our consistent, very good defense. Offense has to move the ball and gain at least 1 first down every possession and not turn the ball over. This will give our defense the rest it needs to be very effective.

**CycloneVet** · 10-02-2012, 03:36 PM

I was impressed with our defense through 3 quarters Saturday night, providing plenty of pressure, especially in the 1st half. If we can get pressure on TCU and stone them throughout the night in the run game and get a couple of picks we will be fine. I like the urgency of the entire program from the top on down, we didnt feel it until aTm last year, and you saw what happened because of it. I think we will be ok this year. hopefully 8-4 ok rather than 6-6 ok.