TCU fan attendance

The attendance was bad because TCU fans knew they were going to lose. HA

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Originally Posted by HornyFrog

You are comparing yourself to West Virginia? If the game was against anyone besides ISU or Kansas there would have been a lot more people there. That's just how it works.

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And the other people there will probably mostly be from the opposing school, not necessarily TCU.

I think there are a number of things accounting for TCU's attendance. Fall Break is a major one and so is the size of the school. Around 9000 undergraduates isn't that many at all, especially when you consider that TCU draws a ton of out of state students, I beleive I heard 1800 of this year's freshman class was out of state. Students who come from out of state also tend to leave the state when they are done. Then, the biggest factor, 63% of TCU alums are female. Not saying they don't like football, but with those numbers I am guessing most belong to a split-fandom household now...

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Originally Posted by cybsball20

Then, the biggest factor, 63% of TCU alums are female.

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That is an insanely favorable ratio. 63-37.

At ISU it is 43-57 female-to-male.

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Originally Posted by CyFan61

That is an insanely favorable ratio. 63-37.

At ISU it is 43-57 female-to-male.

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It's down a bit now for the current student body (59-41) but thats still pretty damn good. I know I really enjoyed my 30 minute run through campus there when we played them years ago...

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Originally Posted by HornyFrog

I don't think our fans realize how good they have it. The growth of our program outpaced the growth of quality in our fans.

You people are still failing to understand that it was fall break. We also lost our QB a few days earlier and our top 2 RBs are also not playing. Countless other starters gone before the season started. Some people are just giving up. That would happen at any program.

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Good point. It's tough to find alternative ways to sell tickets for conference games when students are on break. The case in point would be our full student section for the Oklahoma State game even thought the students were on break.

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Originally Posted by cybsball20

I beleive I heard 1800 of this year's freshman class was out of state.

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No 1800 is the size of the class (probably a little over 1800) and over 50% of them are NOT from Texas. We have around 12-13% of that class from California.

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Originally Posted by Cycsk

Only making the point that our students show up during breaks. They won't be there for West Virginia, they will be there for Iowa State.

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That is the point I'm making. Our fans (not all) look at it the opposite way. Again, probably a symptom of spending years in WAC, CUSA and MWC. They are programmed to show up for certain games (BYU, Utah, or Baylor).

It has nothing to do with quality of the program - just the perceived relevance based on name recognition.

For those with the attendance superiority complex, you might want to take a look at ISU attendance from as recent as two years ago (CPR's second year). Particularly the last game where ISU was fighting #15 MU for bowl eligibility. The announced attendance was about 42,000, and by the looks on TV, There were probably about 35,000 actually in attendance. Was it cold? Certainly, but according to this thread, cold shouldn't matter.

And then the year before that, again with ISU fighting to get bowl-eligible, #18 OSU played in Ames to an announced crowd of about 40,000 (ESPN in town, nice fall day), and by the looks on TV, there were maybe 35,000 there (probably closer to 30,000). I believe the predominant excuse given on that occasion was that is was nice day so kids had to go home to combine corn (check the archive). To CF's credit, that excuse was called called into question.

We've had good home attendance for...well...1.5 years in a row now. If within the last five years, your school (of nearly 30,000 enrollment) has had to give "combining corn" as an excuse for a sparse crowd during a game when 1) the team is fighting for bowl eligibility, 2) a rated team is in town, 3) beautiful sunny, fall day, 4) ESPN is televising the game, you really have no business trashing other schools for bad attendance. It really makes you look silly...

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Originally Posted by jbhtexas

For those with the attendance superiority complex, you might want to take a look at ISU attendance from as recent as two years ago (CPR's second year). Particularly the last game where ISU was fighting #15 MU for bowl eligibility. The announced attendance was about 42,000, and by the looks on TV, There were probably about 35,000 actually in attendance. Was it cold? Certainly, but according to this thread, cold shouldn't matter.

And then the year before that, again with ISU fighting to get bowl-eligible, #18 OSU played in Ames to an announced crowd of about 40,000 (ESPN in town, nice fall day), and by the looks on TV, there were maybe 35,000 there (probably closer to 30,000). I believe the predominant excuse given on that occasion was that is was nice day so kids had to go home to combine corn (check the archive). To CF's credit, that excuse was called called into question.

We've had good home attendance for...well...1.5 years in a row now. If within the last five years, your school (of nearly 30,000 enrollment) has had to give "combining corn" as an excuse for a sparse crowd during a game when 1) the team is fighting for bowl eligibility, 2) a rated team is in town, 3) beautiful sunny, fall day, 4) ESPN is televising the game, you really have no business trashing other schools for bad attendance. It really makes you look silly...

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So what you are saying is, even when our attendance was "bad" in recent history, we still brought more fans than TCU did on Saturday. Got it.

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Originally Posted by ISUAgronomist

So what you are saying is, even when our attendance was "bad" in recent history, we still brought more fans than TCU did on Saturday. Got it.

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The main complaint against TCU in the discussion here is the qualitative issue of filling the stadium, not the quantitative actual attendance figures. Since ISU is a significantly larger school, quantitative comparisons are not particulalry valid. But I'm sure you knew that...

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Originally Posted by cyclonedave25

And the other people there will probably mostly be from the opposing school, not necessarily TCU.

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This.

TCU will be packed for UT, Baylor, TTU, OU, and OSU games because all of the empty seats will be filled with the opposing teams fans. If we were closer to Texas there would have been even more ISU fans there and it wouldn't have seemed so empty.

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Originally Posted by jbhtexas

The main complaint against TCU in the discussion here is the qualitative issue of filling the stadium, not the quantitative actual attendance figures. Since ISU is a significantly larger school, quantitative comparisons are not really valid. But I'm sure you knew that...

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Since actual number stadium seats are nearly equal the numerical comparisons are quite fair. But go ahead and apologize for Baylor and TCU here. We enjoy it. Wonder how soon TCU buys a tarp.

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Originally Posted by jbhtexas

The main complaint against TCU in the discussion here is the qualitative issue of filling the stadium, not the quantitative actual attendance figures. Since ISU is a significantly larger school, quantitative comparisons are not particulalry valid. But I'm sure you knew that...

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ISU was never ranked #15 and percieved as a potential "National Power". TCU has been a BCS buster for quite a few years and has been a trendy pick. You would think all of that would have gained them enough bandwagon fans to have decent crowds for every conference game, even ones against ISU.

Having sat through the Missouri debacle (both fan turn-out and the game) in 2005, I am reluctant to criticize any fanbase for attendance.