Until we recruit better players.....

**besserheimerphat** · 10-20-2012, 04:39 PM

It's perplexing? Kids want to win, and ISU hasn't done that enough over the past 25 years. We've had one "good" season where we went 8-3 with a bowl win. And even that wasn't a high-profile bowl due to the Big 12's poor bowl structure. Northwestern is located in a major metro area and went to the Rose Bowl and never turned that into extended success either. We'll have to establish ourselves as an average team before we can really start looking to make another move to a consistently good team (I'm talking the top 40 - top 20). We're still trying to prove we belong in the top 60. We haven't played at that level for a full season yet.

**Tre4ISU** · 10-20-2012, 04:39 PM

Some of you guys have excellent extrapolation skills.

**Wesley** · 10-20-2012, 04:44 PM

Looks like we need some juco receivers next year. Did we check out IWCC?

**Tre4ISU** · 10-20-2012, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley

Looks like we need some juco receivers next year. Did we check out IWCC?

Do we? WR is the least of our problems.

**dualthreat** · 10-20-2012, 04:50 PM

its kind of a chicken or the egg thing..

each time we recruit a player who isn't 4 stars, comments ensue, "we won't recruit highly rated players until we win more games"

**TallKidIsTall** · 10-20-2012, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by 2ndCyCE

I don't understand why a snot-nosed stud 18-year-old QB would rather go somewhere, sit in a sysem, and hopefully play 1 or 2 years (or ride the bench, like will happen with Walsh upon Lunt's retun) instead of coming to ISU to step in and lead the offense for 3 or 4 years.

they have another big time qb recruit coming in next yr too i think

and if walsh keeps playing like he did today im not so sure the starting job will be lunts automatically when he returns

**Doc** · 10-20-2012, 05:26 PM

I think ISU has been recruiting better talent, especially at WR and OL, and I think it will start to show up in the next couple of seasons. It's just that the upgrade in talent is incremental so it's not like freshman are going to come in and beat out seasoned, but less talented, seniors.

Using BCS offers as a measure, ISU's starting OL has a combined 0 non-ISU BCS offers between them. The starting WRs have 1, I think. I think Dika, Williams, Burton, etc. have a potential to pass some of the other guys on the depth chart and upgrade the OL along with a more experienced Farniok and Gannon. Same with the freshman WRs.

Same thing on the defensive end. McDonough, Laing, Scott, Maggitt, etc. are good players, but the young D-lineman appear to have more raw talent -- but they aren't the kind of blue-chippers that are going to beat out seasoned, but less-talented juniors seniors. Cousins, Bevins, Rogers, Brackens, Lawry, Aka are all guys that have potential to upgrade talent level at some spots. They won't come in as freshman and blow you away, but they will eventually provide upgrades.

**Cyclone44** · 10-20-2012, 05:36 PM

For those that doesn't believe stars don't make a difference.... See Oklahoma State below:

COMMITMENTS

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20152014201320122011201020092008200720062005200420032002

Name	Pos	Ht/Wt	Stars	Rank
Marcell Ateman	WR	6-4/189		39
Zachary Crabtree	OL	6-7/270		53
Darius Curry	DB	6-1/190		46
Luke Del Rio	QB	6-2/190		28
Rami Hammad	OL	6-5/320		28
Jack Kurzu	OL	6-4/313		NR
Jerel Morrow	ATH	5-11/180		16
Ogbonnia Okoronkwo	DE	6-3/220		32
Deric Robertson	DB	6-2/195		35
Fred Ross	WR	6-1/200		33
Jaxon Salinas	OL	6-4/290		NR
Ra'Shaad Samples	WR	6-0/170		37
Jordan Sterns	DB	6-0/195		NR
Vincent Taylor	DT	6-3/277		26
Corion Webster	RB	5-11/185		12

**The_Architect** · 10-20-2012, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by besserheimerphat

It's perplexing? Kids want to win, and ISU hasn't done that enough over the past 25 years. We've had one "good" season where we went 8-3 with a bowl win. And even that wasn't a high-profile bowl due to the Big 12's poor bowl structure. Northwestern is located in a major metro area and went to the Rose Bowl and never turned that into extended success either. We'll have to establish ourselves as an average team before we can really start looking to make another move to a consistently good team (I'm talking the top 40 - top 20). We're still trying to prove we belong in the top 60. We haven't played at that level for a full season yet.

Speaking of Northwestern. How the hell are they able to roll out effective QB's every freaking year and we can't find one in the last 10.

**shagcarpetjesus** · 10-20-2012, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy

This defense is loaded with no names out of high school. The problem is the no names playing offensive line and quarterback are not good.

Maybe then we need to start taking a look at the coaches who are grooming those offensive players? It seems the coaches on the defensive side of the ball aren't having too much of a problem turning the "no names" into functional Big 12 players.

**sfcyclonefan** · 10-20-2012, 06:03 PM

I agree that we are getting better slowly. Remember it took Mizzou and KU a while to build up to compete in the conference and I think CPR is ahead of that.

However I think we have to worry about the QB situation. That has not improved since CPR got here. And SR can't win the job and it's not because the bar is set so high. And it shouldn't be because he doesn't know the system. So I worry about our QBs more than other positions because of history and current performance.

**Aclone** · 10-20-2012, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclone44

For those that doesn't believe stars don't make a difference.... See Oklahoma State below:

Or--and I know this is rocket science--we might stop to realize that almost all of CPR's recruits are redshirt sophs and younger. Hello?

**cayin** · 10-20-2012, 06:20 PM

yeah, How about Northwestern. They at least can move the ball every year. I don't think they have better talent on offense overall. But they do have better qb's than us year after year, better schemes, and better execution. We need better coaching, better schemes. If Northwestern can move the ball the way they do year after year.

**isuforlife** · 10-20-2012, 06:45 PM

you can have all the players you want, but our offense game day play plan sucks

**Tre4ISU** · 10-20-2012, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclone44

For those that doesn't believe stars don't make a difference.... See Oklahoma State below:

COMMITMENTS

[More]

20152014201320122011201020092008200720062005200420032002

Name	Pos	Ht/Wt	Stars	Rank
Marcell Ateman	WR	6-4/189		39
Zachary Crabtree	OL	6-7/270		53
Darius Curry	DB	6-1/190		46
Luke Del Rio	QB	6-2/190		28
Rami Hammad	OL	6-5/320		28
Jack Kurzu	OL	6-4/313		NR
Jerel Morrow	ATH	5-11/180		16
Ogbonnia Okoronkwo	DE	6-3/220		32
Deric Robertson	DB	6-2/195		35
Fred Ross	WR	6-1/200		33
Jaxon Salinas	OL	6-4/290		NR
Ra'Shaad Samples	WR	6-0/170		37
Jordan Sterns	DB	6-0/195		NR
Vincent Taylor	DT	6-3/277		26
Corion Webster	RB	5-11/185		12

Compare that to NC caliber teams. I would say they really overachieved last year wouldn't you? Also, what does this have to do with anything?