Offensive Woes

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Originally Posted by VeloClone

I agree that you can't abandon any one aspect of your game, but at the same time unless you are simply superior athletically and skillwise a team's offense has to take what the defense gives you. I hate Fry, but he said it well - "scratch where it itches". Snyder said it when they were interviewing him leaving the field after the game against ISU. They asked him about striving for a pass/rush balance. He said he doesn't determine the play balance they end up with, the opposing defense does. If our best passer ends up running more and our best runner ends up passing more that probably means that the D is doing their job and taking away your strength. It probably also means that your OC is doing his job and trying to take what the D is giving you.

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You take what the defense gives you within your offensive scheme. Right now Mess is not putting the best personell out there for ISU's offensive scheme IMO. The offense will take what is given but it is also the only group on the field that knows exactly what is going to happen before the ball is snapped so they have an advantage. If Mess is always willing to take what is given the defense will gladly give him a 3 and out every time. You need your best personsell out there running the best play you have for that point in the game every time. Right now I don't think we have the best personell running the best play as often as is necessary to score points on a D-I opponent.

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Originally Posted by Wesley

On a happier note, we have had fewer turnovers lately. Seriously, we need the offense look like they are going to beat Baylor right out of the chute min order to demoralize them.

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This is a good thing.

However, it probably has something to do with the fact that we go three and out every series and don't have a chance to turn it over as much.

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Originally Posted by canker2323

That is awful (in response to Aeroclone's post). Do those numbers include points scored by the defense?

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Unfortunately, it does. I just posted the total points scored by the team, so those numbers would be boosted a little bit by any defensive or special teams scores we may have had.

Mess needs to take advantage of the defenses dropping 7 and 8 guys back into coverage as well with "DELAYED" QB draws. Mess called a QB draw against the Pokes and Barnett ran straight into the line. If anyone noticed when Barnett was dropping back to pass the Pokes were dropping all of these guys back into coverage and it was opening up huge running lanes for him to take off and run. He was able to get big gains several times because he went through his reads and then took off. The delay allowed these running lanes to develop. Amazing that our OC didn't recognize this.

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Originally Posted by BringBackJohnny

You take what the defense gives you within your offensive scheme. Right now Mess is not putting the best personell out there for ISU's offensive scheme IMO. The offense will take what is given but it is also the only group on the field that knows exactly what is going to happen before the ball is snapped so they have an advantage. If Mess is always willing to take what is given the defense will gladly give him a 3 and out every time. You need your best personsell out there running the best play you have for that point in the game every time. Right now I don't think we have the best personell running the best play as often as is necessary to score points on a D-I opponent.

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Just an FYI, Mess isn't incharge of all the personnel. Each individual position coach decides who is going in when, for example Coach Pope decides what the RB rotation is.

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Originally Posted by isufbcurt

Just an FYI, Mess isn't incharge of all the personnel. Each individual position coach decides who is going in when, for example Coach Pope decides what the RB rotation is.

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Thanks for the intel on that.

That even worries me more. Sounds like this offensive ship is running without a captain. Watch out for iceburgs

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Originally Posted by BringBackJohnny

Thanks for the intel on that.

That even worries me more. Sounds like this offensive ship is running without a captain. Watch out for iceburgs

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Not necessarily, most staff's are like this. For example on defense, the positions coaches decide who is subbing in for who unless there is a specific package pre-determined.

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Originally Posted by FootballinTexas

My sentiments exactly! JB averaged 8 YPC with 6 carries. The 2-back read option was beautiful.....the 2 times we ran it! That's my beef with the play-calling. We're not sticking with the stuff that's working.

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Kinda like the beginning of the third quarter against TTech. We abandoned the formation and run after scoring a TD.

Would there be anything to gain by demoting Messingham and giving someone else operational control of the offense? Sturdy, for example? Could Rhoads take over the play calling himself (seems unlikely)?

It sure can't get any worse.

Same QB as last year Check
Same RBs as last year Check
Same oline as last year ( minus 2 NFL guys) Check
Same WRs as last year (Minus our only playmaker from last year) Check

Not sure why things were expected to be drsatically different.

Why?
1. I seem to remember that Rhoads himself intimated that replacing Herman with Messingham would bring changes to the O (you could argue that it has, but for not for the better).
2. We're in year 4. It's time for things to be better.
3. If all personnel are the same then you're de facto saying that the staff cannot improve players. Is that the case?

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Originally Posted by ajk4st8

Same QB as last year Check
Same RBs as last year Check
Same oline as last year ( minus 2 NFL guys) Check
Same WRs as last year (Minus our only playmaker from last year) Check

Not sure why things were expected to be drsatically different.

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Originally Posted by ajk4st8

Same QB as last year Check
Same RBs as last year Check
Same oline as last year ( minus 2 NFL guys) Check
Same WRs as last year (Minus our only playmaker from last year) Check

Not sure why things were expected to be drsatically different.

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Offense was poor last year as well... Check.

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Originally Posted by FootballinTexas

My sentiments exactly! JB averaged 8 YPC with 6 carries. The 2-back read option was beautiful.....the 2 times we ran it! That's my beef with the play-calling. We're not sticking with the stuff that's working.

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Well does that mean the OC is not that good then? Not sticking to what works? This is what frustrates me the most with him and the reason I am not confident in him.

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Originally Posted by Land Grant

Would there be anything to gain by demoting Messingham and giving someone else operational control of the offense? Sturdy, for example? Could Rhoads take over the play calling himself (seems unlikely)?

It sure can't get any worse.

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Holy bat **** this is a bad idea. Lets just calm the ship a bit here.

I didnt spend any time on here this weekend because I was ticked and I knew everyone else would be too and I didnt need to fuel their fire or vice versa.

Everyone knows that the Offense has been horrid, its not rocket science. CPR/Mess have tried to give this team a spark by switching QB's, running a few trick plays etc. It worked in the TCU game but the fact that TCU had 5 TO's sure didnt hurt either.

The reality of the situation is that whatever the problem(s) on offense are constantly interchanging players, coaches, power vs spread philosophy isnt going to help!! Consistency is really what this team lacks on offense and constant change is no way to acheive consistency.

I dont have the answer but let me tell you something- it wont be found reading this board full of suggestions from wanna be coaches who think they know more than CPR/Mess etc.

I want this team to win as bad as anyone on here but good gracious the suggestions that some people come up with are just dense.

Edit: Land Grant this isnt directed at you personally just keep hearing all of this negativity and how everyone sucks and it boiled over.

I liked the play with both Woody and Shontrelle in the backfield together. It gave us another option on the run, or even to pass. It might even be better with White when he is healthy. Just something else for a defense to plan for besides the quarterback or lone back to defend.