Recruiting Stars do Matter

**Knownothing** · 11-03-2012, 02:21 PM

So if that's the problem then shouldn't we fire Rhoads and bring in a coach that can bring in recruits with stars?

What? No please leave this discusion. It's obvious you can't participate without throwing dumb stuff out there.

Fire CPR. Um no. Hope to get better recruits? Yes

Look at the top 10 recruiting classes. Notice anything about them. Yeah they are all ranked in the top 10 year in and year out.

Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2010 Team Recruiting Rankings

**KFitzy87** · 11-03-2012, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Knownothing

What? No please leave this discusion. It's obvious you can't participate without throwing dumb stuff out there.

Fire CPR. Um no. Hope to get better recruits? Yes

Look at the top 10 recruiting classes. Notice anything about them. Yeah they are all ranked in the top 10 year in and year out.

Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2010 Team Recruiting Rankings

Lame discussion is lame

**Clonefan94** · 11-03-2012, 02:26 PM

I don't think people really argue that stars don't matter at all. I think the point is that we can do it without getting all 4 or 5 star players. If we can't, then we might as well fold it in and call it a day.

**KFitzy87** · 11-03-2012, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Clonefan94

I don't think people really argue that stars don't matter at all. I think the point is that we can do it without getting 4 or 5 star players. If we can't, then we might as well fold it in and call it a day.

EXACTLY!

**acgclone** · 11-03-2012, 02:27 PM

It's really simple. It's both. You need good players and you need good coaching. We have decent players, and a pretty good coach. The only problem is that there are lots of good coaches in the B12, but we are behind several schools in overall talent.

I'm completely comfortable with our coaching. Now we just need to upgrade our talent level if we want to win 8+ games.

**Knownothing** · 11-03-2012, 02:28 PM

EXACTLY!

Thanks for figuring out his opinion for him. Somehow he turned this into a fire CRP thread. Luckily you came in an posted an actual opinion for him to agree with. Before that he was lost.

**Doc** · 11-03-2012, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Knownothing

and this OU games proves it. They just flat out have better rated players that have a way higher ceiling than our guys. OU's game plan was perfect. Just wear us the hell out and it did that. There d=fense with a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits on the field made it so we could not run, pass, or throw. There offense made our defense look bad.
I am really nervous about this years recruiting class. It looks like a Dan McCarney type class the last two years he was coaching. Not a lot of kids with other BCS offers and commiting to us because we were the only big program to offer them.

WE LANDED ON THE MOON!

**Doc** · 11-03-2012, 02:29 PM

Rhoadhoused said it best when he said, "Stars don't matter individually, but they matter collectively.". Something like that, at least.

**Knownothing** · 11-03-2012, 02:29 PM

It's really simple. It's both. You need good players and you need good coaching. We have decent players, and a pretty good coach. The only problem is that there are lots of good coaches in the B12, but we are behind several schools in overall talent.

I'm completely comfortable with our coaching. Now we just need to upgrade our talent level if we want to win 8+ games.

I agree with this. What I am saying is we have had some good recruiting classes but we have to improve on recruiting and get a couple game changers to help out.

**acgclone** · 11-03-2012, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by josh4isu

yea recruiting stars dont matter. ask auburn. good coaching/schemes and player development matter

Actually Auburn and Chizik have proven both sides of the stars -vs- coaching debate.

2 years ago, Chiz proved that stars DO MATTER when he won a NC with an extremely talented team that was recruited and in large part developed by someone else (with the help of some suitcases of cash). Everyone on this site knows this is true because we know what a horrible coach he was.

And now this year, Chiz has the distinction of proving the exact opposite. That coaching/development are extremely important, as they still have very good players (maybe not NC caliber, but certainly better than SEC average).

**ISUonthemove** · 11-03-2012, 02:40 PM

OU's 4 star recruits have 30 BCS offers.

ISU's 4 star recruits usually have 1 BCS offer.

We could fill our roster with Darius Reynolds type 4 star recruits and get blasted. Not to bash on him, but most of our big time recruits would never sniff the field at OU

**josh4isu** · 11-03-2012, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by acgclone

Actually Auburn and Chizik have proven both sides of the stars -vs- coaching debate.

2 years ago, Chiz proved that stars DO MATTER when he won a NC with an extremely talented team that was recruited and in large part developed by someone else (with the help of some suitcases of cash). Everyone on this site knows this is true because we know what a horrible coach he was.

And now this year, Chiz has the distinction of proving the exact opposite. That coaching/development are extremely important, as they still have very good players (maybe not NC caliber, but certainly better than SEC average).

**** your stars,

BILL SNYDER.

**HFCS** · 11-03-2012, 02:49 PM

Recruiting stars do matter...so bring on ISU's 2013 basketball recruiting class + transfers!

**acgclone** · 11-03-2012, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by ISUonthemove

OU's 4 star recruits have 30 BCS offers.

ISU's 4 star recruits usually have 1 BCS offer.

We could fill our roster with Darius Reynolds type 4 star recruits and get blasted. Not to bash on him, but most of our big time recruits would never sniff the field at OU

I agree that offers tell you more than stars. The 4/5 stars that big name programs get tend to have big time offers. Usually if we get a 4-star it's by default, because for some reason most big programs have backed off.

**acgclone** · 11-03-2012, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by josh4isu

**** your stars,

BILL SNYDER.

We've gone through this before. K-State and Bill Snyder are the exception. Now run along and go back to making horrible predictions for MBB recruiting.

Also, Bill Snyder isn't our coach in case you haven't noticed. I like Paul, but I'm not ready to put him in Snyder's category, which is among the top 5 HC's of all time.