I really hope coach PR will make some changes.

**jbhtexas** · 11-10-2012, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by acgclone

We don't need better coaching. We need better production and I think the our key shortcoming compared with the rest of the league is talent.

Our staff is maximizing our current talent base.

Even players with limited talent should improve if coached properly. There has been no improvement at the QB position in 4 years under CPR.

**istater7** · 11-10-2012, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley

Can we hire Seneca to work with our qbs?

Or Sage

**dirtyninety** · 11-10-2012, 03:36 PM

The old Dan MacCarney mantra "it is a proven scheme. The scheme works" is coming out from a lot of you. NEWSFLASH: The scheme SUCKS! Cam Newton could do it. Ohio State can do it against Purdue. We are not equip'ed to do it....It is called COACHING and at this level they get paid six figures to recruit personnel and develop a game plan to win a few Saturdays a year.....that is all. It is not rocket science. I will support the young men and Rhaods, but there is something wrong here to play as uninspired we are today.
Vote no on Zone Read! Vote for hope and change.

**istater7** · 11-10-2012, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

Even players with limited talent should improve if coached properly. There has been no improvement at the QB position in 4 years under CPR.

I would say it has digressed, Arnaud was better than Jantz or Barnett.

**Land Grant** · 11-10-2012, 03:49 PM

Messingham must go and a new offensive scheme must be put in place. Other offensive position coaches must be evaluated. If changes are not made, Rhoads (though ultimately a better coach) will go the way of Macarney.

I really hope that PR understands this.

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

Even players with limited talent should improve if coached properly. There has been no improvement at the QB position in 4 years under CPR.

**dirtyninety** · 11-10-2012, 03:50 PM

can we restructure asst' coaches and hire some young money-baller studs for a low salary and make it totally incentive driven.....every win is 20,000 or something like that? What do these guys do now? Seriously. AFter what I saw today it is not coaching to win.

**Freebird** · 11-10-2012, 04:01 PM

Offense has been garbage for years now going back to Chiz. Time to junk it and start over. My God, EVERY other team in this league can play decent offense except us. What the hell?!?! If ours was even respectable we could be winning a ton of games with the way our defense usually keeps teams in check (when not gassed from being on the field the entire game.)

**simply1** · 11-10-2012, 04:08 PM

Sage or Seneca any good at coaching quarterbacks, or is this just grasping at quarterbacks from ISU who played in the nfl?

**acgclone** · 11-10-2012, 04:10 PM

Sage is smart enough to be a good coach. I don't know Seneca but NFL QB's are usually pretty smart

**simply1** · 11-10-2012, 04:18 PM

Sage did more with less so I could see him

**Cyclone1985** · 11-10-2012, 04:22 PM

Execution. Execution. Execution.

Hard to keep drives alive when the QB cannot hit a 3 yard hot route.

**Wesley** · 11-10-2012, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by cyclones18

Acutally we have been able to run except the 2 games JW was out. We abandon the run for no reason all year. We have no big play ability therefore we need to grind out drives and keep the other teams offense off the field ala K-state. Look at the TOP when we win v when we lose. Look at the rushing/passing yards. 60 yards of total offense in the 2nd half today and it was not from throwing the ball. So what are you watching?

Our inability to lengthen the field is killing our other plays. SJ cannot throw deep very well.

**mikem** · 11-10-2012, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by cyclones18

The OL is fine. We continually throw the ball when we are clearly more of a running team. We ran 3 plays in a row on the ground and picked up about 18 yards. Then threw that deep ball for no reason on a 2nd and 4. Where is the logic?

How is the OL fine?

How is it that when the ball was snapped, the DL was in the backfield before the read could be made?

They pulled back with lead, and stopped blitzing. But to say the OL is "fine" is complete ********.

**WooClone15** · 11-10-2012, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Land Grant

Messingham must go and a new offensive scheme must be put in place. Other offensive position coaches must be evaluated. If changes are not made, Rhoads (though ultimately a better coach) will go the way of Macarney.

I really hope that PR understands this.

The only issue I have with firing him is then we bring i someone new and the players have to learn a whole new system. I'm terrible when it comes to firing coaches but there is something to be said for having consistency. I just don't want to get into a situation where whenever our offense doesn't work we fire the coordinator