I really hope coach PR will make some changes.

**bostrem00** · 11-10-2012, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by simply1

Sage did more with less so I could see him

Of course....didn't have playmakers like Ennis Haywood, JJ Moses, and solid offensive line in front of him and a solid defense on the other side....

**jbhtexas** · 11-10-2012, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by WooClone15

The only issue I have with firing him is then we bring i someone new and the players have to learn a whole new system.

If it was a system that worked, wouldn't that be a good thing?

**simply1** · 11-10-2012, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by bostrem00

Of course....didn't have playmakers like Ennis Haywood, JJ Moses, and solid offensive line in front of him and a solid defense on the other side....

He got paid for a long time as well in the NFL, and his physical skill set certainly doesn't explain that as much as it would Seneca.

**acgclone** · 11-10-2012, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by simply1

He got paid for a long time as well in the NFL, and his physical skill set certainly doesn't explain that as much as it would Seneca.

Physically, Sage is a lot closer to an average NFL QB than Seneca.

**UNIGuy4Cy** · 11-10-2012, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by cyclones18

The OL is fine. We continually throw the ball when we are clearly more of a running team. We ran 3 plays in a row on the ground and picked up about 18 yards. Then threw that deep ball for no reason on a 2nd and 4. Where is the logic?

People want to continue to blame the oline. Those that do know little about blocking schemes. The offensive line continues to block great but teams continue to blitz. It's up to the backs to pick up the blitz but our offensive coordinator does not adjust the schemes to account for the blitzes. We either go with no back or a back that runs out of the backfield. If I were KU an WV I would blitz all day.

**UNIGuy4Cy** · 11-10-2012, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by simply1

Agree the o-line is not fine, when teams have pressured us this year they've been exposed for the most part.

So it's up to 5 lineman to block 8-9 defenders?

**Wesley** · 11-10-2012, 04:47 PM

Today the defenders had their hands up and SJ threw errant passes over the top. It looks like his ball velocity is down from two weeks ago.Sometimes when he rolls out, he is alone and he can set his feet and wing the ball. Instead, he tries toi thriow it on the run always. He needs to slow down and make the good thrws.

**CycloneErik** · 11-10-2012, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy

So it's up to 5 lineman to block 8-9 defenders?

Nobody is bringing 8-9 defenders against our QB. We've seen many times this year that our line struggled to stop 3.

**simply1** · 11-10-2012, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by acgclone

Physically, Sage is a lot closer to an average NFL QB than Seneca.

To me I guess it felt like sage did more with less, I may be wrong on that. Seneca while lacking size, had a shotgun arm and of course was extremely elusive.

In the context of having seneca or sage come in to coach qb's, it'd seem like sage would have a leg up. He didn't have a super strong arm, but was accurate, and didn't rely on superb scrambling and arm strength to make plays, he made good decisions and good accurate throws.

**UNIGuy4Cy** · 11-10-2012, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

Nobody is bringing 8-9 defenders against our QB. We've seen many times this year that our line struggled to stop 3.

I know I exaggerated but on a countless plays Texas brought all 3 linebackers.

**CycloneErik** · 11-10-2012, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy

I know I exaggerated but on a countless plays Texas brought all 3 linebackers.

OK. They were willing to bring the house for sure. Apparently, we don't scheme for that. Seems like a running back screen could go crazy with that blitz.

**simply1** · 11-10-2012, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy

So it's up to 5 lineman to block 8-9 defenders?

If they're bringing 8-9, I say toss it to the wr who is not being covered. ;)

Too often they blow assignments when pressure comes, and a guy will come through untouched with a lineman available to have blocked him.

**psychlone99** · 11-10-2012, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy

People want to continue to blame the oline. Those that do know little about blocking schemes. The offensive line continues to block great but teams continue to blitz. It's up to the backs to pick up the blitz but our offensive coordinator does not adjust the schemes to account for the blitzes. We either go with no back or a back that runs out of the backfield. If I were KU an WV I would blitz all day.

Agree. We did very little to adjust to Texas bringing extra guys. In fact, we often did exactly the opposite of what it seemed we needed to do. No reason not the blitz the hell out of us every play.

**xr4ticlone** · 11-10-2012, 04:55 PM

Hard to know if any of our former QB's would be a good fit for coaching at ISU. However, there is little doubt of SW's unreal athletic ability. Sage may have been more of a prototypical NFL QB, but he was never anywhere as physically talented as SW.

My only concern about SW as a coach would be there is no way he could coach his athletic ability. He's obviously deeper than that, and the staff would be the best judge of his coaching ability. I think getting ISU people to be a successful part of ISU's staff would be huge. We are a program due to finances and location that must have people that are tied to the U. There will always be more money and easier places to recruit to for coaches at ISU to move. Having a 'heart tie' to ISU is critical to keeping these guys long term. So I'd be open to ANY former players or even Iowans.