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    Re: Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball

    Quote Originally Posted by besserheimerphat View Post
    There are probably a number of packaged plays in the mix as well, which could be a run or a pass depending on what the defense does pre/post snap. How would you classify those?
    I refuse to believe we have plays that involve reacting to the defense.
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    Re: Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball

    Quote Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
    I refuse to believe we have plays that involve reacting to the defense.
    We do:
    *defense shows blitz
    Check to zone read.

    *defense shows soft zone coverage
    Check to zone read.

    *defense puts 11 guys in the box and leaves 3 receivers uncovered
    Check to zone read.

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    Re: Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball

    Maybe we don't need more run attempts but we need to leave a RB in the game long enough to get in a groove. Switching RBs every play can't help consistency or give the RB (whoever) a feel for the game.

    Also, we have good RBs we need to get as many on the field at the same time as possible. I love the idea posted previously about putting SJ or Neely in the slot and put JW in the backfield.
    Last edited by cygrads; 11-15-2012 at 06:25 PM.

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    Re: Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball

    Take away the osu overtime and people would complain about woody. Fan favorite yes, our best back, no way. See marv Seiler as an example.

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    Re: Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclones500 View Post
    If someone told me in preseason ISU would have more passing attempts (365) than rushing (349) after 10 games, would have scoffed — or assumed we'd be forced to play major catch-up in a lot of games.
    I also wouldn’t have believed it if someone told me, back in August, ISU would be dead-even in turnovers, have a 15-yard-per-game advantage in penalties, lose only six fumbles, be 67% on red zone touchdowns, have 20 passing TDs (to 15 for the opponents) — and be only 5-5.
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    Re: Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball

    I don't blame SJ for being upset about not getting enough touches. I would like to see the QB under center with a basic T or Bone set to start with. Then run motion out of it. Start with Woody, SJ and JW in the "T". Gives us power inside teh tackles and speed to the corner. In my opinion, this puts the best play makers on the field. (Add Bruns at TE to the mix) Back to basics! If we need to mix it up bring Jarvis etc into te backfield to use the jet. Make the defense guess and react to our motion and formation change.

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    Re: Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball

    Quote Originally Posted by PammelGuy View Post
    I don't blame SJ for being upset about not getting enough touches. I would like to see the QB under center with a basic T or Bone set to start with. Then run motion out of it. Start with Woody, SJ and JW in the "T". Gives us power inside teh tackles and speed to the corner. In my opinion, this puts the best play makers on the field. (Add Bruns at TE to the mix) Back to basics! If we need to mix it up bring Jarvis etc into te backfield to use the jet. Make the defense guess and react to our motion and formation change.
    We'd get destroyed. You need road graders to run that kind of formation. Where are the road graders on Iowa State's line?

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    Re: Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball

    A strong run game doesn't take just power. You need guys who understand blocking technique and how to create a crease and backs quick enough to get there. We will never get the 5 star "road graders" or the top RB's who can go 80 yards but IMHO with good line coaching we can run the ball for 5 - 8 yard consistantly. The spread relies on an outstanding throwing QB with WR who can win the ball. Big 12 DC's have reacted with big and athletic DB's that can challenge the WR on the line and also allow for extra pressure by the LB on the QB. With our QB and WR's we are playing right into the DC's strength. IMHO Go Clones!

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    Re: Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclones500 View Post
    If someone told me in preseason ISU would have more passing attempts (365) than rushing (349) after 10 games, would have scoffed — or assumed we'd be forced to play major catch-up in a lot of games.
    Wow.....seems like the ratio should be 400 to 300, but I imagine passing didn't start catching up until the Big 12 slate.

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    Re: Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball

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    Re: Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneGB View Post
    I was just trying to provide some perspective about the rest of the BCS teams run:pass ratio.
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    Re: Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball

    Game by game run:pass splits...

    Tulsa: 50% Rush, 50% Pass
    Iowa: 53.2% Rush, 46.8% Pass
    Western Illinois: 53.9% Rush, 46.1% Pass
    TTech: 65.5% Rush, 34.5% Pass
    TCU: 61.4% Rush, 38.6% Pass
    KSU: 40% Rush, 60% Pass
    OSU: 31.4% Rush, 68.6% Pass
    Baylor: 47.1% Rush, 52.9% Pass
    OU: 37.5% Rush, 62.5% Pass
    UT: 51.7% Rush, 48.3% Pass
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    Re: Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball

    Since I had the data, I also ran a quick regression on rushing and passing percentages vs. Point Differential, Points For and Points Against.

    Rushing percentage was a good indicator of Points For (r = 0.52, p = 0.121) and a very good indicator of Point Differential (r = 0.71, p = 0.022). Rushing percentage was also a good indicator of Points Against (r = -0.64, p = 0.048). Note that the negative value here indicates that as our rushing percentage increases, our opponents score decreases.

    Passing percentage was not a good indicator of any of the factors, nor was it statistically significant.
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    Re: Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball

    Quote Originally Posted by Erik4Cy View Post
    Ideal would be 35+ rushs min. I'd love for White to have around 18, Johnson 12, and 5 for Woody. These are all minimums though. Depending on t.o.p. and totally plays run I'd love to see them with more. Jantz shouldn't be asked to carry more than 5 times not including scramble plays.
    For this to be the case we would need to average more then 2 yards a rush, and not go down by 3 score in the firs half of games

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