big huge elephant

**swarthmoreCY** · 11-24-2012, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by alarson

Sort of nullifies the advantage we have from having a great punter though.

Sometimes if feels like we might as well never punt, as we're content to give most of those yards back anyways.

Exactly the opposite, it works in unison with a great punter. If we could not count on good starting field position, we would be forced to take more chances.

**Omaha Cy** · 11-24-2012, 01:28 PM

Wally frustrates me a bit at the lack pressure he tends to dial up, but overall he keeps ISU in games. Furthermore, if ISU had a legit Big 12 QB/offense, then maybe some of the deficiencies would be masked more. The lack of sacks at all the in October/November has been ridiculous though.

On the flipside the talent level has me feeling good moving forward. Thinking back to years past, if ISU was missing 3 starters in the back 7, uhm....50 point games would rain down from the sky.

I'm concerned about next years defense, and hopeful that Sam and the offense can account for another TD a game average to leverage things out a bit.

**00clone** · 11-24-2012, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY

Before injuries it was as good as thought. Anyone bringing up yards allowed rankings in their contention does not understand defense well enough to comment.

Not knowing anything isn't a dis-qualifier for commenting. One can start a thread while knowing nothing.

I think you also have to consider the injuries in light of how long they were on the field when the offense couldn't get a first down to save their lives. As the season wore on, injuries took key players off the field, and even those on the field were playing banged up. Of couse, I don't have a crystal ball, but I can't help but think that if the offense could have stayed on the field longer throughout the season the defense would have been healthier.

**isucy86** · 11-24-2012, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by State43

People critical of the defense, you realize if we played in the Big 10, our defense would look like rockstars right now. This league is just too offensively explosive.

Is the Big 12 offensive production a function of unbelievable offenses or pretty weak defenses? How many points did OU score at home vs. Notre Dame?

IMO if Roads is going to buid a team that can go 8-4 and win 4-5 Big 12 games each year it will built on the defensive side of the ball and a key part of that is a d-line that controls the line of scrimmage and we can consistently put pressure on the QB.

**swarthmoreCY** · 11-24-2012, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by isucy86

Is the Big 12 offensive production a function of unbelievable offenses or pretty weak defenses? How many points did OU score at home vs. Notre Dame?

IMO if Roads is going to buid a team that can go 8-4 and win 4-5 Big 12 games each year it will built on the defensive side of the ball and a key part of that is a d-line that controls the line of scrimmage and we can consistently put pressure on the QB.

ISU held Iowa to their lowest point total of the season. ISU has a better defense than anyone in the Big 10!

Unbelievable offense. One poor performance against the #1 defense does not mean the incredible performances on offense are due to weak defense.

**huntt26** · 11-24-2012, 02:58 PM

Injuries killed this defense late in the year. Doesn't help playing some of the best offenses in the country either.

**cyclone87** · 11-24-2012, 03:14 PM

Our defense was decent against a prolific offense yestersay, despite the fact that our two biggest play makers on D weren't playing (Givens and knott) along with others.

**bostrem00** · 11-24-2012, 03:33 PM

Here's my theory on the game....ISU lost the game because of 1 reason, they didn't score more than WVU....

**eddiepishammerd** · 11-24-2012, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by isucy86

Is the Big 12 offensive production a function of unbelievable offenses or pretty weak defenses? How many points did OU score at home vs. Notre Dame?
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Look at the big 12's entire out of conference record. It's pretty good. The bowl games will give another good indicator.

**bozclone** · 11-24-2012, 05:59 PM

We really missed Givens yesterday.

**00clone** · 11-24-2012, 06:07 PM

You know, I forgot what this thread was about...clicked in again thinking it might be about Charlie Weis or something.

**Aclone** · 11-24-2012, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Knownothing

Burhams defenses has been horrible. Everyone is talking messingham. Hell his offense did enough to get 31 poimts if it were not for woodys fumble. Burgams defenses have been giving up huge yards and huge points. I like wally but quit blaming messingham. He uas got better as the years uas gone on.

Sorry. Just shaking head in disbelief.

High powered WVU offense, all American linebacker, nation's leader in turnovers, and starting cornerback injured and out, we still hold them way below their average, and you're complaining. Sigh.