Looking ahead to Next Year

**swarthmoreCY** · 11-24-2012, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by FootballinTexas

You mean like that TCU defense that gave UT fits and that OSU defense that's giving OU fits right now. BTW, our other two conference wins.....TCU has more wins in conference than those two combined. But, JB can't play here. That's what's laughable.

You mean the TCU did as well as the KU defense against Texas? Sam should be proud. Or the TCU defense that gave up 50+ to Baylor (OTs)? 30 points by the 3rd quarter is giving OU fits?

**ZJohnson** · 11-24-2012, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by ISUAgronomist

OMG. This is some great comedy. JB regressed b/c of the coaches yet our other QB's either stayed the same or improved (SR since he jumped JB on the depth chart). Maybe JB needs to put in more work toward getting better. Naw, blame the coaches.

Exactly, he sounds like all the Hawk fans right now.

**FootballinTexas** · 11-24-2012, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by ISUAgronomist

So other QB's improved this year and JB didn't because of the coaches is what you're saying?

You really think SJ improved? His completion percentage went up because of three cupcake defenses (WI, BU, Tulsa). He was 50% in his other starts and turned the ball over at least 2 times per game. There was nothing for SR to improve on. So how can you say the other QB's improved?

I'm just saying, a coach has the responsibility of training and developing his players. Anyone that's ever coached will tell you that.

**ISUAgronomist** · 11-24-2012, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by FootballinTexas

There was nothing for SR to improve on. So how can you say the other QB's improved?

Depth chart. SR moved from 3 to 1 or 2. Yet, he didn't improve?

**FootballinTexas** · 11-24-2012, 05:36 PM

I know you're all riding a high and that's good. I am too because SR showed great promise. That doesn't mean I'm going to just push aside our QB that's played and won against some top 25 competition.

**WhatchaGonnaDo** · 11-24-2012, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by ISUAgronomist

Depth chart. SR moved from 3 to 1 or 2. Yet, he didn't improve?

Get that logic out of here!

**ISUAgronomist** · 11-24-2012, 05:37 PM

FootballinTexas, want to address the question about Sam improving (you know jumping JB on the depth chart)? I notice you've dodged that again. No, can't do that because that would mean it's not on the coaches.

**WhatchaGonnaDo** · 11-24-2012, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by FootballinTexas

I know you're all riding a high and that's good. I am too because SR showed great promise. That doesn't mean I'm going to just push aside our QB that's played and won against some top 25 competition.

He's also played and lost miserably against other competition

**swarthmoreCY** · 11-24-2012, 05:58 PM

I can certainly see where Tex is coming from. I did not see notable improvement in Jantz going from a good athlete with a good arm into a QB, JB seems the same in the passing game, and I have no previous data on Sam. CPR also said if Sam showed in practice what he is showing in games they would have played him. Hard to say though it is coaching. Maybe SJ is just not a QB, JB will never have a good arm, and again, no data on Sam. Perhaps SJ and JB do not fit what Mess wants to run as well as they "fit" Herman.

**CycloneErik** · 11-24-2012, 06:01 PM

Certainly, Sam improved.
It's really hard to argue that the other two improved. I don't know how someone could prove that after the play we saw from them.

**FootballinTexas** · 11-24-2012, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by ISUAgronomist

FootballinTexas, want to address the question about Sam improving (you know jumping JB on the depth chart)? I notice you've dodged that again. No, can't do that because that would mean it's not on the coaches.

Not going to discuss that because there's more to that than anyone on the outside knows. I'm strictly basing improvement on previous game experience.

**ISUAgronomist** · 11-24-2012, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by FootballinTexas

Not going to discuss that because there's more to that than anyone on the outside knows. I'm strictly basing improvement on previous game experience.

LOL. Can't discuss it because it kills your "coaches dropped the ball" theory.

**FootballinTexas** · 11-24-2012, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by WhatchaGonnaDo

He's also played and lost miserably against other competition

Really, a 6 point loss to the #6 team that eventually went to #1 and a 14 point loss to the 3rd or 4th best team in the Big 12 in OSU. Then last year to a 6 point loss a 10-2 KSU team and 14 point loss to 10-2 OU team. Yes, i would call that miserable.

**UNIGuy4Cy** · 11-24-2012, 06:09 PM

Would Barnett or Steele completed a pass in those elements yesterday?

**swarthmoreCY** · 11-24-2012, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by FootballinTexas

Really, a 6 point loss to the #6 team that eventually went to #1 and a 14 point loss to the 3rd or 4th best team in the Big 12 in OSU. Then last year to a 6 point loss a 10-2 KSU team and 14 point loss to 10-2 OU team. Yes, i would call that miserable.

Did you see the Baylor-KSU game?