How many starters do we lose this season?

**State43** · 11-27-2012, 09:31 AM

Hoks seem to think we lose 15 starters which seems way to high.
Here are the starters we lose

Offense
Tiller - WR (Not sure he would be a starter)
Horne - WR
Chris Young - WR
Bykowski - OL
Burris - OL

Defense
Liang - DL
McDonough - DL
Klein - LB
Knott - LB
Givens - DB
Reeves - DB

That is only 11 counting Tiller who I don't consider a starter. Did I miss any? I know we lose contributors but I am only looking at starters right now.

**CLONECONES** · 11-27-2012, 09:34 AM

KVK is a junior right? glad we get him another year

**bawbie** · 11-27-2012, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by State43

Hoks seem to think we lose 15 starters which seems way to high.
Here are the starters we lose

Offense
Tiller - WR (Not sure he would be a starter)
Horne - WR
Chris Young - WR
Bykowski - OL
Burris - OL

Defense
Liang - DL
McDonough - DL
Klein - LB
Knott - LB
Givens - DB
Reeves - DB

That is only 11 counting Tiller who I don't consider a starter. Did I miss any? I know we lose contributors but I am only looking at starters right now.

We also lose Maggit, Jantz and Lenz, but Tiller doesn't have any starts and I don't think Horne was listed as the starter for most of the year. Ricky Howard got the TE start at the beginning of the year, but Brun is a Jr and will be back.

**Clark** · 11-27-2012, 09:41 AM

I think you forgot your punter and I'm sure they were counting Jantz as a starter.

**bawbie** · 11-27-2012, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Clark

I think you forgot your punter and I'm sure they were counting Jantz as a starter.

the punter isn't a senior.

The holder is though, maybe you were thinking of him...

**GMackey32** · 11-27-2012, 09:46 AM

Replace Tiller with Lenz in the starters. We may lose Maggitt, but he's a good candidate for a medical hardship waiver. You could count Jantz as a starter, but Richardson is our starter now and we have Barnett with starting experience, so I don't think its fair to say that we lost "our starting QB".

So if Maggitt gets his hardship, it's 11. I saw the posts you're referring too. We lose 11, they lose 7/8. And Iowa State gets to play at home. I just don't see how they can mark ISU down as a win next year, right now.

**Clark** · 11-27-2012, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by bawbie

the punter isn't a senior.

The holder is though, maybe you were thinking of him...

oh I thought he was. nevermind then. I haven't seen the thread on HN that the OP is talking about so I guess I don't know who they were referring to.

**ribsnwhiskey** · 11-27-2012, 09:50 AM

They're already talking about next year...

We still have a game left this year.

Obsessed.

**1100011CS** · 11-27-2012, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by GMackey32

Replace Tiller with Lenz in the starters. We may lose Maggitt, but he's a good candidate for a medical hardship waiver. You could count Jantz as a starter, but Richardson is our starter now and we have Barnett with starting experience, so I don't think its fair to say that we lost "our starting QB".

So if Maggitt gets his hardship, it's 11. I saw the posts you're referring too. We lose 11, they lose 7/8. And Iowa State gets to play at home. I just don't see how they can mark ISU down as a win next year, right now.

Because it's their Super Bowl.

**GMackey32** · 11-27-2012, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Clark

oh I thought he was. nevermind then. I haven't seen the thread on HN that the OP is talking about so I guess I don't know who they were referring to.

It's a thread created by the ever intelligent herbyhawk. But there are a few other posters in there saying we lose that many.

**VeloClone** · 11-27-2012, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Clark

oh I thought he was. nevermind then. I haven't seen the thread on HN that the OP is talking about so I guess I don't know who they were referring to.

Yeah, it is easy to think he is since he came in and performed as one of the Big 12's elite from the start. I'm really thankful that we bring back that weapon for one more year.

**State43** · 11-27-2012, 10:07 AM

Am I being a homer to say we should be even better next season? I know the defense takes a step back at Linebacker. George is good but Knott and Klein are both better. Secondary will probably be a wash or slight step back. I like having Washington and Watson back. Maybe Lynn or stokes can play the other side. Seemed like Stokes had improved with the extra time playing in Watson's place. DL is a big question mark. Losing Jake McDonough will hurt, but I am hearing a lot of buzz about some upcoming guys. And B jr has proven to be an excellent DL line coach.
Offensively, Our OLine has to be better in my opinion, Running backs return with a plethora of experience and depth. Sam looks like he should at least be = to our current qb situation. Wide receivers in my opinion will be a step up. Bundrage is the real deal, I think some incoming guys will step up and Jarvis, Gary & Brun will produce.
Is it crazy to think we will be better or do I need to put the cardinal and gold glasses down?

**bawbie** · 11-27-2012, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by State43

Am I being a homer to say we should be even better next season? I know the defense takes a step back at Linebacker. George is good but Knott and Klein are both better. Secondary will probably be a wash or slight step back. I like having Washington and Watson back. Maybe Lynn or stokes can play the other side. Seemed like Stokes had improved with the extra time playing in Watson's place. DL is a big question mark. Losing Jake McDonough will hurt, but I am hearing a lot of buzz about some upcoming guys. And B jr has proven to be an excellent DL line coach.
Offensively, Our OLine has to be better in my opinion, Running backs return with a plethora of experience and depth. Sam looks like he should at least be = to our current qb situation. Wide receivers in my opinion will be a step up. Bundrage is the real deal, I think some incoming guys will step up and Jarvis, Gary & Brun will produce.
Is it crazy to think we will be better or do I need to put the cardinal and gold glasses down?

We should be better on offense, but worse on defense, so it'll probably be a wash. Going into the season expecting 6 or 7 wins would seem about right to me. If things come together and we catch some breaks, we may be able to take a step forward.

DT will certainly be the biggest weakness next year, we have very little coming back. Hopefully Pompey and Aka and some of the guys who didn't see the field this year are ready to step up.

**UNIGuy4Cy** · 11-27-2012, 10:15 AM

We will be worse in the middle of the defensive line at least to start the season. But the DEs will be better next season. We have found a way to replace Knott in the middle, so we really only have Klein to replace. As for the secondary, with Rhoads its just been plug the next man in. I mean we thought the loss of Johnson and Benton would be big, but we really have not missed them. Givens came out of nowhere and Reeves has been solid throughout. Kenneth Lynn can play and Watson is back. So to is Washington. The secondary will be strong again next season.

**State43** · 11-27-2012, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by bawbie

We should be better on offense, but worse on defense, so it'll probably be a wash. Going into the season expecting 6 or 7 wins would seem about right to me. If things come together and we catch some breaks, we may be able to take a step forward.

DT will certainly be the biggest weakness next year, we have very little coming back. Hopefully Pompey and Aka and some of the guys who didn't see the field this year are ready to step up.

Yeah, Tackle has me worried as well. More seniors than I realized on that rotation. Might be dealing with a lot of Freshman/RSFreshman on the 2-3 deep.