Re: ***OFFICIAL FIRE MESSINGHAM THREAD***
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FarminCy 
And the last 4 years of offense at ISU have shown that sometimes small changes don't change a thing at all.
Time for the wishbone then I guess.
Re: ***OFFICIAL FIRE MESSINGHAM THREAD***
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Rabbuk What are you even talking about?
Fallacies? Clearly overhauling the offense only means signing twenty offensive JuCo players.
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swarthmoreCY Fallacies? Clearly overhauling the offense only means signing twenty offensive JuCo players.
I guess it does in narnia.
Re: ***OFFICIAL FIRE MESSINGHAM THREAD***
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Rabbuk What are you even talking about?
What did the quote say? It was a pretty straightforward response.
Re: ***OFFICIAL FIRE MESSINGHAM THREAD***
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Luth4Cy Sometimes small changes lead to big results.
If your car is leaking oil, using armor all on the dash won't make it better.
Re: ***OFFICIAL FIRE MESSINGHAM THREAD***
This offense has way too many three-and-outs. No adjustments - that's what concerns me about Mess.
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SpokaneCY If your car is leaking oil, using armor all on the dash won't make it better.
But you don't buy a new car, either
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MJ271 But you don't buy a new car, either
If it's a Yugo that's leaking oil, sure you do.
:cool:
Re: ***OFFICIAL FIRE MESSINGHAM THREAD***
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SwirlingFloater
Great find! We can talk about how everyone sucks, but this link really demonstrates the intricacies of O schemes and how much more goes into it. I have NOTHING to base it on, but it seems to me Mess calls plays off a sheet, whereas Sturdy is SO much more of a strategist and one play is used to set up another play. Sturdy seems to have evidence of an offensive philosophy...
Anyway - thanks for the link - great article.
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MJ271 But you don't buy a new car, either
If your car was leaking oil for long enough, you have to.
Re: ***OFFICIAL FIRE MESSINGHAM THREAD***
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cyatheart I don't think the O line and QB's suck inherently, there is evidence to suggest they are pretty talented really. I think for some reason players are not being developed on the offensive side of the ball like they are defensively. Steele never got better while he was here. Why is that? Barnett regressed from last year. Why is that? Both these guys have obvious tools and skills and are good enough to be successful. Hell both of them proved it. I go back and forth which performance was the best QB performance at ISU in the last 10 years...Steele vs Iowa last year or Barnett vs OSU. Barnett is fast as hell and Steele has a lot of good qualites one would look for in a QB....yet neither of them are getting better. I feel terrible for both those guys right now.
I never understand the small and quick O line thing we are going to. Hicks, Reggie Stephens, and KO were not of that breed, they were just big maulers and they were awesome O linemen. Did anyone watch KO this year in the NFL, he was dominating guys. Now we got these small lineman that are getting pushed around.
And why the hell do we have all these good backs supposedly, and they never get the ball? All this zone read does is make our QB, who isn't our best running back, run the ball more, and take more hits. It was fine with me when we had AA that would just run over guys,but he always got beat up and eventually blew out his knee doing this crap. Why do we want Steele or SR running the ball that much? Would much rather just have a straight handoff to JW, SJ or JW and actually try to block for them. Where is Jarvis West and why is he not involved at all? I keep hearing how great Nealy is...how about a called handoff to him?
I loved how Tulsa played. Our defense stopped them 5 possessions in a row from the second quarter into the second half. Did they abandon the run when that happened? Hell no. They kept at it. If anyone stops ISU 5 times do we abandon the run....yup. One problem Mess has is he abandons the run easily, one or two possessions of tough sledding and he throws in the towl on the run game. You gotta stay with it and keep pounding, just like Tulsa did. Mess says he is committed to the run game, but I don't think he really is in reality.
I don't have the answers, I don't know what is wrong, I do know we aren't getting our best skill guys the ball enough and something is terribly wrong offensively.
Well, we do not have to watch SJ exit stage left or right and madly scrambling any more. This season was opportunity lost. No opponent scored more than 35 agaiunst us. Cm'n offense, DO SOMETHING.
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Wesley Well, we do not have to watch SJ exit stage left or right and madly scrambling any more. This season was opportunity lost. No opponent scored more than 35 agaiunst us. Cm'n offense, DO SOMETHING.
The offense says "not likely".
Re: ***OFFICIAL FIRE MESSINGHAM THREAD***
2008
Pts Scored 25.3 to Pts Allowed 35.8
Rushing 138 yards to 174 yards opponents
Passing 248 yards to 278 yards opponents
TDs 36 to 59 Opponents
2009
Pts Scored 20.5 to Pts Allowed 21.8
Rushing 165 yards to 180 yards opponents
Passing 184 yards to 250 yards opponents
TDs 33 to 36 Opponents
2010
Pts Scored 21.7 to Pts Allowed 28.8
Rushing 165 yards to 180 yards opponents
Passing 143 yards to 186 yards opponents
TDs 29 to 39 Opponents
2011
Pts Scored 22.7 to Pts Allowed 29.4
Rushing 174 yards to 193 yards opponents
Passing 212 yards to 234 yards opponents
TDs 37 to 40 Opponents
2012
Pts Scored 24.5 to Pts Allowed 23.9
Rushing 150 yards to 177 yards opponents
Passing 214 yards to 265 yards opponents
TDs 38 to 37 Opponents
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Wesley 2008
Pts Scored 25.3 to Pts Allowed 35.8
Rushing 138 yards to 174 yards opponents
Passing 248 yards to 278 yards opponents
TDs 36 to 59 Opponents
2009
Pts Scored 20.5 to Pts Allowed 21.8
Rushing 165 yards to 180 yards opponents
Passing 184 yards to 250 yards opponents
TDs 33 to 36 Opponents
2010
Pts Scored 21.7 to Pts Allowed 28.8
Rushing 165 yards to 180 yards opponents
Passing 143 yards to 186 yards opponents
TDs 29 to 39 Opponents
2011
Pts Scored 22.7 to Pts Allowed 29.4
Rushing 174 yards to 193 yards opponents
Passing 212 yards to 234 yards opponents
TDs 37 to 40 Opponents
2012
Pts Scored 24.5 to Pts Allowed 23.9
Rushing 150 yards to 177 yards opponents
Passing 214 yards to 265 yards opponents
TDs 38 to 37 Opponents
Wesley needs input!
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Re: ***OFFICIAL FIRE MESSINGHAM THREAD***
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Originally Posted by
SwirlingFloater
Read the whole article. That sounds like nothing Mess does. I'd be down with a switch.
