Paul Rhoads true colors beginning to shine through

**cytown** · 01-01-2013, 03:12 PM

Funny to see how history begins to repeat itself. McCarney had four 7 win seasons in his last six years and it wasn't "good enough" for us. We are slowly getting back to being an "average" team so that we can build to "above average and beyond" and we already have people questioning everything.

Chill out. Programs turn around over decades, not single seasons (or 4).

**scyclonekid** · 01-01-2013, 04:21 PM

For gripes sake CPR is who we need right now and he will make the right moves. I am not pleased with yesterday, but CPR is not getting help from his OC and Oline coach and that hurts his image on the win/loss column. As a head coach you are only as good as your staff.

**NEICyFan** · 01-01-2013, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Goothrey

Is it really that impressive when there are 35 bowl games? 70 out of 120 teams make bowl games.

That number looks a lot worse when you look at BCS conference schools only. Making a bowl game is nice but it is not incredibly impressive.

I'm not saying we should fire CPR. Far from it. What I am saying is that our expectations are way out of whack and signing him to this contract was a mistake. Anyone claiming he should have a lifetime contract needs their head examined.

**Aclone** · 01-01-2013, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by scyclonekid

For gripes sake CPR is who we need right now and he will make the right moves. I am not pleased with yesterday, but CPR is not getting help from his OC and Oline coach and that hurts his image on the win/loss column. As a head coach you are only as good as your staff.

ROTFL...valiant try, but "his OC and Oline coach" weren't the ones out there holding, throwing passes awry, making stupid penalties after the play, not tackling (or filling the hole), or, inexplicably, not booming punts when such were desperately needed...

I don't know why the team was flat--perhaps because of replaying an opponent--but they clearly were. And it surely didn't help that Jake Knott was hurt. Umm...how is that any of the coaching staff's fault?

**Tre4ISU** · 01-01-2013, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by kingcy

Mac left the program in bad shape, Chizik made it worse. Mac did do a lot of the program. He only had one 9 win season and four 7 win seasons. He never had a breakthrough win. His team never were close to getting an upset. He won the games he should have and lost, many of them bad, against teams that were better.

That's untrue. There was more talent here for Rhoads than there was for Chizik.

**Tre4ISU** · 01-01-2013, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Aclone

ROTFL...valiant try, but "his OC and Oline coach" weren't the ones out there holding, throwing passes awry, making stupid penalties after the play, not tackling (or filling the hole), or, inexplicably, not booming punts when such were desperately needed...

I don't know why the team was flat--perhaps because of replaying an opponent--but they clearly were. And it surely didn't help that Jake Knott was hurt. Umm...how is that any of the coaching staff's fault?

Messingham will never run and average B12 offense onto the field. He cannot make any adjustments. How many game did we score early only to not score later on? A lot of them. he calls his ****** and it works. If it were me, you switch he and Sturdy.

**Ry4Cy** · 01-01-2013, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Aclone

ROTFL...valiant try, but "his OC and Oline coach" weren't the ones out there holding, throwing passes awry, making stupid penalties after the play, not tackling (or filling the hole), or, inexplicably, not booming punts when such were desperately needed...

I don't know why the team was flat--perhaps because of replaying an opponent--but they clearly were. And it surely didn't help that Jake Knott was hurt. Umm...how is that any of the coaching staff's fault?

How is playing flat not the coaching staffs fault? It is the coachs job to get the team ready to play and we clearly weren't.

**ThatllDoCy** · 01-01-2013, 06:28 PM

CPR is our guy. He is going to make mistakes, but considering the stretch of recruiting we have had and the attendance things are looking up. Fix the Offense and we will be much better off.

**Aclone** · 01-01-2013, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Ry4Cy

How is playing flat not the coaching staffs fault? It is the coachs job to get the team ready to play and we clearly weren't.

Apparently you've never heard veteran coaches talk about how they can do everything in the world to get a team up--and they still come out flat. Or vice versa. Coaches don't have absolute control over everything, and players don't have an on/off switch waiting to be thrown.

**LibertyCy** · 01-01-2013, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by CYcoFan

Some have mentioned the tackling. Where was a timeout and just ripping into the guys for ****** tackling? Nope we don't get that one. We get an *** chewing on guy that made a dumb play following a terrible decision to accept a holding penalty after we hold them on third down.

He didn't rip Jensen for essentially the same thing. Rhoads looked like a complete baffoon

Wow, total fail by total troll

**DhaCheann** · 01-02-2013, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by CYcoFan

Paul made a terrible decision to accept the holding penalty when we made a stop on 3rd down that would have made it 4th and 2. Then Laing gets a dumb personal foul and Rhoads chews him out. Probably doesn't happen if the coach doesn't make a terrible decision.

Kickoff out of bounds and we decline? Great decision Paul, especially when the return only gets to the 30.

Last year in the bowl game we pull the QB that had arguably the biggest win in ISU history after a quarter and a half cause JB started ineffective. This year Sam Richardson is allowed to QB for 2 quarters (2nd and 3rd) when he played absolutely terrible, worse than I have ever seen terrible. Jantz (who beat Tulsa earlier) gets to come in when Tulsa has stopped playing aggressive man D and dropped to soft zone. Had Jantz come in after half, he would have had a shot to beat them over the top like he did earlier this year.

Rhoads was aweful this game. Stuff runs down hill and the rest of the team followed. This was top down terrible play today.

You're an idiot

**Cycsk** · 01-02-2013, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by clonedude

Yep... with over 10 minutes left in the game, Rhoads had to resort to the desperation of making them re-kick instead of taking the ball at the 35 because he knew our offense wasn't going to be able to move it. And then shortly after that, we attempt a hook and ladder play. Total desperation.

The game was nowhere out of reach yet at that point and there were over 10 minutes left. But Rhoads knew at that point that there was NO way our offense was going to be able to move the ball without gimmicks. That's how sad and pathetic it really was folks.

You would think that Rhoads might make a change at OC after looking that bad on national TV? We shall see?

Not sure this is true. The kicker slipped on the first kick that went out of bounds and went off the field limping. I think Rhoads may have been hoping that forcing an injured kicker to re-kick would give us better field position (and maybe even aggravate the injury that might be significant later in the game).

**isufbcurt** · 01-02-2013, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by clonedude

Yep... with over 10 minutes left in the game, Rhoads had to resort to the desperation of making them re-kick instead of taking the ball at the 35 because he knew our offense wasn't going to be able to move it. And then shortly after that, we attempt a hook and ladder play. Total desperation.

The game was nowhere out of reach yet at that point and there were over 10 minutes left. But Rhoads knew at that point that there was NO way our offense was going to be able to move the ball without gimmicks. That's how sad and pathetic it really was folks.

You would think that Rhoads might make a change at OC after looking that bad on national TV? We shall see?

I don't see how making them re-kick is desperation? I see it as playing the percentages, we had almost busted a couple earlier kicks so why not make them re-kick and take the chance on busting one? I liked the call.

I have watched them practice that hook-in ladder play in practice and it has been ready to use all year. 4th down and long, with no time to throw the ball and the d-backs playing deep quarters was as good of time if any to call it.

And don't get your hopes up I will bet a lot of money Rhoads doesn't make a change at OC nor does he need to.

**bos** · 01-02-2013, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by isufbcurt

I don't see how making them re-kick is desperation? I see it as playing the percentages, we had almost busted a couple earlier kicks so why not make them re-kick and take the chance on busting one? I liked the call.

I have watched them practice that hook-in ladder play in practice and it has been ready to use all year. 4th down and long, with no time to throw the ball and the d-backs playing deep quarters was as good of time if any to call it.

And don't get your hopes up I will bet a lot of money Rhoads doesn't make a change at OC nor does he need to.

I bet he doesnt make a change either but I still question if Mess was a good idea. He was a head scratcher at a very pivotal time in our building process.

**weR138** · 01-02-2013, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by isufbcurt

I don't see how making them re-kick is desperation? I see it as playing the percentages, we had almost busted a couple earlier kicks so why not make them re-kick and take the chance on busting one? I liked the call.

I have watched them practice that hook-in ladder play in practice and it has been ready to use all year. 4th down and long, with no time to throw the ball and the d-backs playing deep quarters was as good of time if any to call it.

And don't get your hopes up I will bet a lot of money Rhoads doesn't make a change at OC nor does he need to.

Curt, in your opinion why should Messingham stay on the staff? I'm one who questioned the hire and hoped for an OC hire outside the program of someone with experience. Imo our offense has under-achieved. Am I wrong? If I am wrong when/how are we going to produce enough points to win games that will put us at .500+ in the Big 12? I don't have the experience or football knowledge to recognize the positives from Messingham's play calling. Can you or someone smarter than me explain how my concerns aren't valid? Thanks.