Predicting Coaching Staff

**cloneteach** · 01-05-2013, 04:04 PM

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**RING4CY** · 01-05-2013, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by wartknight

I don't understand everyone's love affair with having former players as coaches. Is it a feel good thing or what?

Especially when people are wanting to bring back McCarney players.

I wonder what Lane Danielsen is up to these days.

**pdxclone** · 01-05-2013, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Aclone

Yes, but last year when Ellis Hobbs was apparently a candidate, CPR went with Troy Douglas. Not sure if Marcus Robertson was ever a serious candidate.

Going with Douglas last year just shows he had a better resume. It would be hard to pass up a guy with Troy Douglas' credentials.

"Douglas' Iowa State tenure begins in his 25th season as a college coach. His initial Cyclone season marks his 23rd year in the defensive backfield. He has coached in a total of 10 bowl games, including six straight postseason appearances. Douglas recently completed his third season as Carolina's defensive backs coach. He has tutored 16 players who have players in the National Football League."

**ty4cy90** · 01-05-2013, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Luth4Cy

Out of curiosity, do most people see Sage as OC or just QB's coach. I would be stunned to see him as an OC, and to be honest stunned to see him as a QB coach. Perhaps a wide receivers or tight ends coach at first. The guy doesn't have any previous coaching experience to the best of my knowledge and he has no experience in our system.

Why would this stun you? Granted, I don't know much about coaching or football schemes but it seems Sage is a pretty smart guy and has NFL experience that he probably gained a wealth of knowledge from. Also look at guys like Major Applewhite, Josh Huepal, and Kliff Kingsbury. Those guys were from roughly the same time period as sage and are all either co-oc or HC.

**wartknight** · 01-05-2013, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by ty4cy90

Why would this stun you? Granted, I don't know much about coaching or football schemes but it seems Sage is a pretty smart guy and has NFL experience that he probably gained a wealth of knowledge from. Also look at guys like Major Applewhite, Josh Huepal, and Kliff Kingsbury. Those guys were from roughly the same time period as sage and are all either co-oc or HC.

...and have been coaching for a lot longer.

**Luth4Cy** · 01-05-2013, 04:23 PM

Unlikely but why not a guy like Tim Brewster. He has NFL experience unlike anyone else on our coaching staff and he has coached both tight ends and receivers. He is currently wide receivers coach down at Mississippi State. Once again I think this is very unlikely but I personally think it would benefit Rhoads in recruiting to get a guy with NFL coaching experience on his staff.

**Luth4Cy** · 01-05-2013, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by ty4cy90

Why would this stun you? Granted, I don't know much about coaching or football schemes but it seems Sage is a pretty smart guy and has NFL experience that he probably gained a wealth of knowledge from. Also look at guys like Major Applewhite, Josh Huepal, and Kliff Kingsbury. Those guys were from roughly the same time period as sage and are all either co-oc or HC.

QB is the most important position on the field. I simply think it's more likely that if Rhoads were to hire a guy like Sage who hasn't coached he would be pegged at a position like tight ends. Major Applewhite and Josh Heupel both were graduate assistants before becoming full time coaches. Heupel coached tight ends for a year at Arizona before becoming QB coach at Oklahoma. I'm pretty sure even Kliff had some type of office position at Houston before being tabbed as an assistant coach.

**CykoAGR** · 01-05-2013, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by wartknight

I don't understand everyone's love affair with having former players as coaches. Is it a feel good thing or what?

They were good players so they obviously have to be good coaches right?

Im fine bringing someone in with little or no previous experience in a very low role. Sage as OC is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

**tyler24** · 01-05-2013, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by CykoAGR

They were good players so they obviously have to be good coaches right?

Im fine bringing someone in with little or no previous experience in a very low role. Sage as OC is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

I assume you were heavily against the hiring of Hoiberg then?

**ISU1294** · 01-05-2013, 06:37 PM

Just a feeling, but whoever is hired will most likely have Texas roots. Texas is an area that we recruit hard and that was where Wells mainly recruited. We need someone to get back down there.

**Farnsworth** · 01-05-2013, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by clone136

Flynn has also played both the positions we need help at WR and QB. I am officially creating the bring Austin Flynn back to Iowa State. Who wants to co-sign an email to JP and CPR with me?

I would actually be in favor of this move, although I have nightmares of hearing "flynn on the keeper" over and over again.

**Luth4Cy** · 01-05-2013, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by tyler24

I assume you were heavily against the hiring of Hoiberg then?

IMO Hoiberg was a very different case. The guy had front office experience at the NBA level and it sounds like he wanted to become a coach for a very long time. Because of that he spent a lot of time watching coaches and taking his coaching style from them. He also made sure that he had a guy on his staff that made up for his inexperience as a head coach.

**tyler24** · 01-05-2013, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Luth4Cy

IMO Hoiberg was a very different case. The guy had front office experience at the NBA level and it sounds like he wanted to become a coach for a very long time. Because of that he spent a lot of time watching coaches and taking his coaching style from them. He also made sure that he had a guy on his staff that made up for his inexperience as a head coach.

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Sage has been around a ton of offenses. He met with JP, which I assume is because he is interested in coaching somewhere. Also, Sage would be surrounded by coaches with plenty of experience. I agree both are completely different situations between Hoiberg and a guy like Sage, but I feel like it would be more difficult to come in and be a head coach, in basketball, where you have a huge role in every aspect of the game. An OC does not have to worry about as many small things as a head coach of basketball. All Sage really has to know is what offenses work against what defenses, which is a much easier task in my mind.

Don't get me wrong I would love to have someone with experience, but becoming an OC as your first stint would appear to be easier than being a head coach of basketball.

**Luth4Cy** · 01-05-2013, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by tyler24

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Sage has been around a ton of offenses. He met with JP, which I assume is because he is interested in coaching somewhere. Also, Sage would be surrounded by coaches with plenty of experience. I agree both are completely different situations between Hoiberg and a guy like Sage, but I feel like it would be more difficult to come in and be a head coach, in basketball, where you have a huge role in every aspect of the game. An OC does not have to worry about as many small things as a head coach of basketball. All Sage really has to know is what offenses work against what defenses, which is a much easier task in my mind.

Don't get me wrong I would love to have someone with experience, but becoming an OC as your first stint would appear to be easier than being a head coach of basketball.

He is a bright guy and it will be interesting to see what Rhoads does. I trust Rhoads so I'm sure he will make the right decision for the team. I'm also one of the few though that thinks Messingham does have a lot of potential as an OC and play caller though. IMO an experiment with Sage as OC is would most likely happen if we have Co-OC's. In saying that I'm not sure being a Co-OC means a lot, it's still only one guy calling the play.

**tyler24** · 01-05-2013, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Luth4Cy

He is a bright guy and it will be interesting to see what Rhoads does. I trust Rhoads so I'm sure he will make the right decision for the team. I'm also one of the few though that thinks Messingham does have a lot of potential as an OC and play caller though. IMO an experiment with Sage as OC is would most likely happen if we have Co-OC's. In saying that I'm not sure being a Co-OC means a lot, it's still only one guy calling the play.

Well I am one who is completely against Mess being our OC lol. I think he is a great position coach and that is it. I want a coach who is coaching to what he knows. I feel like Mess is a coach who came up as a coach who understands a system where the QB is under center, but not one who knows how to take advantage of spacing with a spread.