Logue on Twitter states Barnett and Morgan are leaving.

**CyDude16** · 01-11-2013, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by cyatheart

Is he wrong? Jared had enough tools to succeed and be a good QB here, as did Steele. Both showed that the ability was indeed present. One could argue, that they were not developed as well as they could have been.

Can't develop an arm this late in the game.

**dirtyninety** · 01-11-2013, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Tre4ISU

We need more pick 6s? No way. ******* Wally needs to be informed right now. Do you have a number on how many times these third downs you speak of were converted?

We need more butt-hurt on this board. It was a post-******, aka P.S.
In the last two years our opponents have had 180 3rd downs with 6 plus yards to go. Of those downs, a pass was completed for a first down on 72 times...That 40% is too high for me, but what is astounding is if you subtract the running plays from that it is 72 conversions on 145 pass attempts...50% success rate on third and long.
Of those third down conversions, our defender was more than 5 yards from the reciever 85% of the time. 90% of the time, our corners are more than 6" shorter than the receivers they are covering. 97% of your posts are boring.

**CP44** · 01-11-2013, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by dirtyninety

this is all so Greg-McDermont-esque. I do not like a revolving door. You could probably accept this if we didn't freaking lose to West Virginia and Tulsa. Something stinks. Jared was a good Cyclone.....should have got minutes in the bowl game.
I am not a Bielima fan, but I want Rhoads to show me he is here to win and not just play hard.

lollerskates.... smh

**CP44** · 01-11-2013, 08:54 PM

Losing 2 non starters isn't unheard of... in fact it's very common for players to leave programs for playing time elsewhere... Rhoads even said himself that JB had marginal talent.

**megamanxzero35** · 01-11-2013, 09:24 PM

Oregon just lost a 4 star LB from Texas. Transferring out. Was expected to start next year. Besides Durbin, any other time Rhoads has looked at taking in a transfer?

**heitclone** · 01-11-2013, 09:35 PM

Barnett is the bigger loss for the team, Morgan the bigger loss for the program

**Tre4ISU** · 01-11-2013, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by dirtyninety

We need more butt-hurt on this board. It was a post-******, aka P.S.
In the last two years our opponents have had 180 3rd downs with 6 plus yards to go. Of those downs, a pass was completed for a first down on 72 times...That 40% is too high for me, but what is astounding is if you subtract the running plays from that it is 72 conversions on 145 pass attempts...50% success rate on third and long.
Of those third down conversions, our defender was more than 5 yards from the reciever 85% of the time. 90% of the time, our corners are more than 6" shorter than the receivers they are covering. 97% of your posts are boring.

But how many were caught with a defender 5-6 yards away like you said? Let's just say every one of our corners is 5'7, which they aren't. That would have to make every WR 6'1, which they aren't. You aren't even good at making stuff up.

And there wasn't any butt hurt. The lack of understanding of the defensive scheme and ideals is just sort of funny. Carry on, though, as if we give up a bunch of points, which do matter.

**Dryburn** · 01-11-2013, 09:41 PM

As far as qb coaches go, I can think of at least 3 former ISU qb's who might be available for the upcoming season. None of them have coached that I know of, but they all had decent careers here. Or is that just wishful thinking?

**Luth4Cy** · 01-11-2013, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Dryburn

As far as qb coaches go, I can think of at least 3 former ISU qb's who might be available for the upcoming season. None of them have coached that I know of, but they all had decent careers here. Or is that just wishful thinking?

Because everybody that played QB will be a good coach?

**Dryburn** · 01-11-2013, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Luth4Cy

Because everybody that played QB will be a good coach?

Where did I say that or make that assumption? I'm just saying I think there are some guys that could be considered.

ISU qbs don't seem to be developing very well the last few years. There are probably worse things than looking at some former, successful ISU qb's to step in as a qb coach.

**Luth4Cy** · 01-11-2013, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Dryburn

Where did I say that or make that assumption? I'm just saying I think there are some guys that could be considered.

ISU qb's don't seem to be developing very well the last few years. There are probably worse things than looking at some former, successful ISU qb's to step in as a qb coach.

I just find it interesting that since our QB's have struggled the solution for many is a former QB with little or no coaching experience, especially considering many complain about Mess not having enough D1 experience.

**Dryburn** · 01-11-2013, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Luth4Cy

I just find it interesting that since our QB's have struggled the solution for many is a former QB with little or no coaching experience, especially considering many complain about Mess not having enough D1 experience.

I think you have to look at the individuals that may be considered though. It seems to me that some of them would have the potential to be decent coaches. Maybe none of them have an interest in that, I don't know. I just think ISU has had some pretty successful qbs in the not so distant pass, and maybe they should be considered.

As a manager, I always found it beneficial to hire people who were going to train others in a certain position or with a certain task to have held the position previously themselves, or to have done the work before. Seemed to work, even with those who had never been in a supervisory position or done any training of others before.

There is no guarantee of success with what I suggested, but what measure would guarantee success? You talk about no experience.......yet ISU has a MBB coach at his first coaching job. How is that working so far? Plus.....this is CPR's first head coaching job. He has not set the world on fire yet, but he has done much better than some who were here before him.

**HOTDON** · 01-11-2013, 10:35 PM

Definitely going to miss seeing JB and his family at Okoboji Grill after home games. Always made us feel a little more connected to him. Shame things didn't work out differently.

**Luth4Cy** · 01-11-2013, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by Dryburn

I think you have to look at the individuals that may be considered though. It seems to me that some of them would have the potential to be decent coaches. Maybe none of them have an interest in that, I don't know. I just think ISU has had some pretty successful qbs in the not so distant pass, and maybe they should be considered.

As a manager, I always found it beneficial to hire people who were going to train others in a certain position or with a certain task to have held the position previously themselves, or to have done the work before. Seemed to work, even with those who had never been in a supervisory position or done any training of others before.

There is no guarantee of success with what I suggested, but what measure would guarantee success? You talk about no experience.......yet ISU has a MBB coach at his first coaching job. How is that working so far? Plus.....this is CPR's first head coaching job. He has not set the world on fire yet, but he has done much better than some who were here before him.

Absolutely, and only person that can truly judge that accurately is the guy that is hiring. I personally think would rather see any coach without a lot of experience not as QB coach right away. In saying that a guy like Hoiberg has been great.

It's also interesting that you talked about your own experiences hiring a person who previously held a position. In most things that makes sense, but in sports sometimes it couldn't be further from the truth. For example, a guy like Chip Kelly who never even played major college football interviewed for NFL jobs. Most of our coaching staff didn't even play major Division 1 football.

**swarthmoreCY** · 01-11-2013, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by cyatheart

Is he wrong? Jared had enough tools to succeed and be a good QB here, as did Steele. Both showed that the ability was indeed present. One could argue, that they were not developed as well as they could have been.

You must only watch the highlight videos from each game.

Originally Posted by dirtyninety

this is all so Greg-McDermont-esque. I do not like a revolving door. You could probably accept this if we didn't freaking lose to West Virginia and Tulsa. Something stinks. Jared was a good Cyclone.....should have got minutes in the bowl game.
I am not a Bielima fan, but I want Rhoads to show me he is here to win and not just play hard.

JFC, our offense sucks, but that is no reason to go insane. Imo CPR made a mistake to go with this offense in 2008, but regardless of that, if you are going to go with it, you must recruit better QBs than JB and SJ. A staff with Bill Walsh and Sean Payton could not make SJ or JB upper-level Big 12 QBs in 2 years. There is a reason why few other, if any, BCS level college coaches thought they were worthy of scholarships.