Logue on Twitter states Barnett and Morgan are leaving.

**Aclone** · 01-11-2013, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Knownothing

I guess that mean he won't be starting next year. How good was the Morgan guy. Don't remember hearing his name ever.

If you remember the '11 OSU game, he made two excellent tackles, almost back to back IIRC, one along each sideline. Does that jog your memory?

Originally Posted by Land Grant

I think this is on the money. But good luck convincing most on this board. They are all too willing to imagine that the scheme and coaches are great (he**, its what they run at Oregon!) and the only thing missing is the right QB to run it. Oddly, that guy is always a year away. At ISU, its not the backup, but the redshirt QB that will lead us to the promised land!

Time to stop beating the dead horse, all right?

You're blaming it all on the scheme and coaching. Some of the rest of us recognize that talent level, dropped passes, poor blocking, and a host of other things factor in as well--including having your quarterback throwing balls into the ground.

Good luck to both players. Thanks for the memories!

**Wally86** · 01-11-2013, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by CloneIce

I agree, that was awful to watch and I have no idea what he was doing there.

Had Chiefs season tickets in the 90s when they were good. I saw it there. It looks like coaching to not make a mistake. You get preached at all week long to "Not make a mistake" and you start overthinking and don't get the ball off the during the split second the window for a completion is open. That could be the reason the sub comes in and does well. Then after he starts and gets reps, a couple of weeks of "Don't make a mistake" he stops reacting and start thinking is that a mistake. In the split second that voice is in his head he misses the play.

We need an OC and quarterback coach that can teach quick read progressions and stay out of the QBs head.

**Land Grant** · 01-11-2013, 06:04 PM

It strikes me that so long as some make excuses for the coaching, others must continue to point out its shortcomings. That said, if you want me to stop, Aclone, then who am I to keep going??

Originally Posted by Aclone

If you remember the '11 OSU game, he made two excellent tackles, almost back to back IIRC, one along each sideline. Does that jog your memory?

Time to stop beating the dead horse, all right?

You're blaming it all on the scheme and coaching. Some of the rest of us recognize that talent level, dropped passes, poor blocking, and a host of other things factor in as well--including having your quarterback throwing balls into the ground.

Good luck to both players. Thanks for the memories!

**dirtyninety** · 01-11-2013, 06:22 PM

this is all so Greg-McDermont-esque. I do not like a revolving door. You could probably accept this if we didn't freaking lose to West Virginia and Tulsa. Something stinks. Jared was a good Cyclone.....should have got minutes in the bowl game.
I am not a Bielima fan, but I want Rhoads to show me he is here to win and not just play hard.

**CycloneErik** · 01-11-2013, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by dirtyninety

this is all so Greg-McDermont-esque. I do not like a revolving door. You could probably accept this if we didn't freaking lose to West Virginia and Tulsa. Something stinks. Jared was a good Cyclone.....should have got minutes in the bowl game.
I am not a Bielima fan, but I want Rhoads to show me he is here to win and not just play hard.

The wins don't show you that? Usually, the winning will show that a coach is here to win.

**dirtyninety** · 01-11-2013, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Wally86

Had Chiefs season tickets in the 90s when they were good. I saw it there. It looks like coaching to not make a mistake. You get preached at all week long to "Not make a mistake" and you start overthinking and don't get the ball off the during the split second the window for a completion is open. That could be the reason the sub comes in and does well. Then after he starts and gets reps, a couple of weeks of "Don't make a mistake" he stops reacting and start thinking is that a mistake. In the split second that voice is in his head he misses the play.

We need an OC and quarterback coach that can teach quick read progressions and stay out of the QBs head.

BINGO! correct answer. This team often seems over-coached. Watch our corners and defensive backs.....it is like they are brow-beat to "not get beat" so much they have lost all intuitiveness and common sense. How many times do we see third and 8 with our defense and they give a 10 buffer and then let the guy run a 9 yard route and are still 5 or 6 yards from the guy when he catches it. It should not be freaking rocket science to cover a reciever or run a rushing play for 1 yard, yet it is so painful to watch this team do anything like this. they are just running a scheme as they have been over-coached and they are not playing ball. Play Ball!
post ******: The bowl game pick 6 was excellent. right time and place for that.....need more of that.

**dirtyninety** · 01-11-2013, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

The wins don't show you that? Usually, the winning will show that a coach is here to win.

stupid post. and boring.

**CycloneErik** · 01-11-2013, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by dirtyninety

stupid post. and boring.

Did it feel like you read that in a mirror?

**Tre4ISU** · 01-11-2013, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by pdxclone

Pretty sure the scholarships are renewed yearly; meaning the moves where discussed before signing up for 2013.

BTW, both appear to have done everything correct in representing ISU and themselves. The program will miss having them both on and off the field.

Right, they are renewed yearly. Does this give us one or two more?

On topic- I wish Barnett had stayed, selfishly. He likely wouldn't have played much next year but we are only two plays away from burning a redshirt and playing a true freshman. It would be nice to have that third guy, not to mention his experience and assistance in coaching up the young guys.

Morgan is a big loss that I think people are understating. We were already thin at LB, which he would have been big enough to play full time and he would have allowed the flexibility for Broomfield to go to safety if that was a better option. Now you have to replace two very important players on the defense (LB, SS). I think this is why Broomfield alluded to gaining weight. When you remove Morgan you simply remove a bunch of different options and instead of having to find one guy from a pool of two positions, you now likely have to find a guy from one. I wish him well but I really thought at some point he was going to be pretty damn good.

**Aclone** · 01-11-2013, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by dirtyninety

BINGO! correct answer. This team often seems over-coached. Watch our corners and defensive backs.....it is like they are brow-beat to "not get beat" so much they have lost all intuitiveness and common sense. How many times do we see third and 8 with our defense and they give a 10 buffer and then let the guy run a 9 yard route and are still 5 or 6 yards from the guy when he catches it. It should not be freaking rocket science to cover a reciever or run a rushing play for 1 yard, yet it is so painful to watch this team do anything like this. they are just running a scheme as they have been over-coached and they are not playing ball. Play Ball!
post ******: The bowl game pick 6 was excellent. right time and place for that.....need more of that.

But...but...they weren't overcoached then??? There's an on and off switch?!!

**MLawrence** · 01-11-2013, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by dirtyninety

this is all so Greg-McDermont-esque. I do not like a revolving door.

Two players leave from the football team and this feels "Greg-McDermont-esque"?

**CyDude16** · 01-11-2013, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by dirtyninety

this is all so Greg-McDermont-esque. I do not like a revolving door. You could probably accept this if we didn't freaking lose to West Virginia and Tulsa. Something stinks. Jared was a good Cyclone.....should have got minutes in the bowl game.
I am not a Bielima fan, but I want Rhoads to show me he is here to win and not just play hard.

LOL.

**Tre4ISU** · 01-11-2013, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by dirtyninety

BINGO! correct answer. This team often seems over-coached. Watch our corners and defensive backs.....it is like they are brow-beat to "not get beat" so much they have lost all intuitiveness and common sense. How many times do we see third and 8 with our defense and they give a 10 buffer and then let the guy run a 9 yard route and are still 5 or 6 yards from the guy when he catches it. It should not be freaking rocket science to cover a reciever or run a rushing play for 1 yard, yet it is so painful to watch this team do anything like this. they are just running a scheme as they have been over-coached and they are not playing ball. Play Ball!
post ******: The bowl game pick 6 was excellent. right time and place for that.....need more of that.

We need more pick 6s? No way. ******* Wally needs to be informed right now. Do you have a number on how many times these third downs you speak of were converted?

**letsCYber** · 01-11-2013, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by MartyFine

Never forget that night in November of 2011, JB. Good luck with your future.

Sounds like you already did forget what night it was. Props for remembering the month though.

**cyatheart** · 01-11-2013, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by cyclonestate

His grandfather wasn't quite as gracious. Below are his comments that appear below the DM Register article. I'm sure it was difficult for him to watch Jared get passed over this year, but I think he's being a little unfair.

"Hard to be "that great a QB anyway" with no support, no coaching and no respect. But, they obtained their two goals to beat Iowa and play in a bowl....all that is needed to be successful at I St."

Is he wrong? Jared had enough tools to succeed and be a good QB here, as did Steele. Both showed that the ability was indeed present. One could argue, that they were not developed as well as they could have been.