Jay Scheel to Iowa

**clonedude** · 01-20-2013, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneVet

This is the problem, no matter what inept coaches are down there (Greg Davis), no matter what type of offense they run (who actually knows now), the downward spiral that the program seems to be in, the disgruntled fanbase, and the fact that KF may be gone after 1-2 mediorcre to bad seasons, these kids always seem to pick Iowa because they were fans growing up. It baffles my mind. Do they even look at what is going on down there?

If they grew up Hawkeye fans, I could see them going there versus going to ISU. Growing up as an ISU fan, I could have NEVER went to Iowa.

However... if Scheel ends up getting an offer from someone like Oregon, that's where I think he'd be completely NUTS to still go to Iowa. Unless he's just too concerned about getting homesick or something? He'd be amazing at Oregon IMO. At Iowa, he could easily end up being just another Keenan Davis.

**clonedude** · 01-20-2013, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by DJK15

If ISU can put together a 20 year stretch of dominance like Hayden did, you'll see more kids growing up ISU fans.

Well, we do have a winning record over KF. Does that count for anything? Probably not. A lot of teams can say that.

**CycloneVet** · 01-20-2013, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by clonedude

Well, we do have a winning record over KF. Does that count for anything? Probably not. A lot of teams can say that.

This isn't the ISU of the days of Hayden. We consistently beat Iowa head to head. If you feel the need to reference a legendary coach from the 80's to justify the level of your program then something is wrong. Typical Hawk fan, living in the past. Here is the present, 4-8 record with a witch-hunt among the fanbase.

**TallKidIsTall** · 01-20-2013, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY

Who cares about your view on Iowa, this is Cyclonefantic. Think about that.

I was not aware someone had brought up a different hawk recruit or suggested that (not) said recruit would switch. I should have responded with I do not think he will change. He being Campos.

im sorry for correcting people saying things that arent true

instead ill let those people think there is a chance he comes to isu when like i said there is zero chance of it

ross and jay were both huge iowa fans growing up just like lazard is a huge isu fan

now ill let you get back to attacking people for saying things that arent bad about iowa (even if true)

**DJK15** · 01-20-2013, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneVet

This isn't the ISU of the days of Hayden. We consistently beat Iowa head to head. If you feel the need to reference a legendary coach from the 80's to justify the level of your program then something is wrong. Typical Hawk fan, living in the past. Here is the present, 4-8 record with a witch-hunt among the fanbase.

I brought up Hayden because his dominance over ISU (and success overall) is a big part of why the majority of the state pulls for the Hawks -- this is why you still see kids growing up Hawks fans and picking Iowa even after down years.

I'm not living in the past, just pointing out that ISU needs a similar stretch of dominance to change the way things are in the state of Iowa.

**LutherBlue** · 01-20-2013, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneVet

This isn't the ISU of the days of Hayden. We consistently beat Iowa head to head. If you feel the need to reference a legendary coach from the 80's to justify the level of your program then something is wrong. Typical Hawk fan, living in the past. Here is the present, 4-8 record with a witch-hunt among the fanbase.

What the hell? We have basically split with them over the last ten years or so.

**Rhoadhoused** · 01-20-2013, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by DJK15

If ISU can put together a 20 year stretch of dominance like Hayden did, you'll see more kids growing up ISU fans.

I think in a couple years we will see the benefits if the 2000 and on ISU teams. It will be a lot closer to 50/50 than it is right now.

**HawkGuy** · 01-20-2013, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by uro cy

No need to stop recruiting....after a 4 win season at EIU, he might see things differently.

Yeah, because those 6 win seasons look impressive too. It's not like CPR is untouchable. CPR's only winning season came with Chizik's guys his first season and has compiled a 24-27 overall record and a 12-22 conference record. Neither Iowa or Iowa State have room to talk.

**Frak** · 01-20-2013, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by DJK15

If ISU can put together a 20 year stretch of dominance like Hayden did, you'll see more kids growing up ISU fans.

Dominance? LOL. Maybe over ISU.

**DJK15** · 01-20-2013, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Frak

Dominance? LOL. Maybe over ISU.

Yes, that was the point genius.

**DurangoCy** · 01-20-2013, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by LutherBlue

What the hell? We have basically split with them over the last ten years or so.

9-6 over the last 15, just so they don't forget.

**NATEizKING** · 01-20-2013, 03:25 PM

Kurt is 6-8 or 6-9 against ISU, correct?

**Rhoadhoused** · 01-20-2013, 03:35 PM

To be honest I thought it was a good point by DJK. Iowa state didn't beat Iowa until I was 9, and I am just graduating college. In a few years the kids coming in will not have been alive during the Hayden streak, and will at least view ISU as a competitive football team and not a doormat. The thing is, their families and parents were heavily Iowa fans, so the real shift won't really happen for a good amount of years, unless something drastic happens.

**Gonzo** · 01-20-2013, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneVet

This isn't the ISU of the days of Hayden. We consistently beat Iowa head to head. If you feel the need to reference a legendary coach from the 80's to justify the level of your program then something is wrong. Typical Hawk fan, living in the past. Here is the present, 4-8 record with a witch-hunt among the fanbase.

The last 10 years:

September 13, 2003	Ames	(23) Iowa	40	Iowa State	21	UI 34-17
September 11, 2004	Iowa City	(16) Iowa	17	Iowa State	10	UI 35-17
September 10, 2005	Ames	Iowa State	23	(8) Iowa	3	UI 35-18
September 16, 2006	Iowa City	(16) Iowa	27	Iowa State	17	UI 36-18
September 15, 2007	Ames	Iowa State	15	Iowa	13	UI 36-19
September 13, 2008	Iowa City	Iowa	17	Iowa State	5	UI 37-19
September 12, 2009	Ames	Iowa	35	Iowa State	3	UI 38-19
September 11, 2010	Iowa City	(9) Iowa	35	Iowa State	7	UI 39-19
September 10, 2011	Ames	Iowa State	44	Iowa	41	UI 39-20
September 8, 2012	Iowa City	Iowa State	9	Iowa	6	UI 39-21

**Rhoadhoused** · 01-20-2013, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Gonzo

The last 10 years:

September 13, 2003	Ames	(23) Iowa	40	Iowa State	21	UI 34-17
September 11, 2004	Iowa City	(16) Iowa	17	Iowa State	10	UI 35-17
September 10, 2005	Ames	Iowa State	23	(8) Iowa	3	UI 35-18
September 16, 2006	Iowa City	(16) Iowa	27	Iowa State	17	UI 36-18
September 15, 2007	Ames	Iowa State	15	Iowa	13	UI 36-19
September 13, 2008	Iowa City	Iowa	17	Iowa State	5	UI 37-19
September 12, 2009	Ames	Iowa	35	Iowa State	3	UI 38-19
September 11, 2010	Iowa City	(9) Iowa	35	Iowa State	7	UI 39-19
September 10, 2011	Ames	Iowa State	44	Iowa	41	UI 39-20
September 8, 2012	Iowa City	Iowa State	9	Iowa	6	UI 39-21

I honestly think he means that we can beat Iowa any year, and we have beaten them as much as we have lost them. Basically not being doormat. Also, as you obviously know, you can switch the W/L percentages either way depending on if you go back 27 years, 14 years, 10 years, 5 years, or 2 years. It flips every time. I think the most relevant stats are current coaches. That's KF against ISU and Rhoads against Iowa.