Monday Musings: Big 12 expansion makes long-term sense

**cyman05** · 01-28-2013, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

Chris Williams wrote,

"Texas A&M was always mad at Texas. Texas always walked around with its chest puffed out and nose in the air towards Texas A&M."

You mean the Texas that was all set to leave us and join the Pac 10 until Texas A&M backed out and didn't go with them?
I didn't become a fan of the Aggies until finally they joined Nebraska and said "enough." Look where they're at now. With Texas still running the Big 12 show, this conference will always be less attractive to any sought-after schools...

But how much of A&M's success this year had to actually do with the SEC? At the end of the day, I think I heard something like the top 6 or 7 SEC teams went 32-0 this year against the bottom 7 or 8 teams. So...
1. Their only significant win of note before bowl season with the Alabama win (although that was a gamechanger)
2. The SEC move hadn't really affected on field players for this year since they're in year 1 of the move
3. Revenues haven't affected anything.

I guess I'd be convinced that the SEC move boosted A&M's program if I would've seen similar results for Missouri. But in fact they had just the opposite thing happen.

I don't think you can judge these conference moves in year one, but I think you need to wait at least 5-10 years.

**Tornado man** · 01-28-2013, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by cyman05

I guess I'd be convinced that the SEC move boosted A&M's program if I would've seen similar results for Missouri. But in fact they had just the opposite thing happen.

I don't think you can judge these conference moves in year one, but I think you need to wait at least 5-10 years.

I don't think you can compare Texas A&M and Missouri - Mizzou wasn't anywhere near the loss that A&M was. A&M has more of everthing - much larger fan base, bigger and better school, in the middle of tons of talent. Also, they're having a great recruiting year. Leaving the Big 12 doesn't appear to have hurt them in the least.
Yes, I do agree time will tell...just think it was a huge for the Big 12 to lose them, and was due to Texas' greed...

**tee1up** · 01-28-2013, 06:43 PM

It seems to me that the super-conferences are the vehicle to establish a playoff system. Maybe 4 16 team leagues. There will be a conference championship, then the 4 champions play the semi-finals, and NC game.

**HoopsTournament** · 01-28-2013, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by tee1up

It seems to me that the super-conferences are the vehicle to establish a playoff system. Maybe 4 16 team leagues. There will be a conference championship, then the 4 champions play the semi-finals, and NC game.

NO, NO, NO
It will not be 16 teams exactly and the champions will not be the semi finalists. Stop spreading media brainwashing like this.

**cyfreddy** · 01-28-2013, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisMWilliams

Spot on. Everything. I agree. But I'm just not sure how realistic it is.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if in 20 years, everybody looks at each other and goes, "wow, this sucks" and then the fad is eight 10 team leagues. That'd be ideal IMO.

Like I wrote, I love the 10 school league but unfortunately, unless something happens, the Big 12 is going to get left behind in five years just like it did over the last decade.

Like you Chris, I would love to stay at a 10 team league, but I just can't see West Virgina setting out there by themselves and liking a 10 team league.

Another thing that is probably way off base but a concern of mine is Iowa State being left out in the cold because we don't have a baseball team.

**NickTheGreat** · 01-29-2013, 12:51 PM

I'm so ********** ***** ******ing tired of hearing about realignment.

**Rogue52** · 01-29-2013, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by ricochet

Exactly! Doesn't that diminish your "people watch it live so it is worth big money" argument?

Commercials are only a small part of live event advetising. In-game advertising is much more expensive for a reason.

**Cycsk** · 01-29-2013, 08:45 PM

"a Marty Fine-like offensive line."

Am I the only one who thinks this is a fantastic line by CW?

**Go2Guy** · 01-29-2013, 08:55 PM

What's the point in calling yourself the conference champion when you don't play every team in the conference?
Same problem the BCS has now. It's like calling yourself the BCS champ when you haven't played the other team that deserved to be in the championship came. It makes your conference a farce not to play a round robin schedule.

**aeroclone** · 01-29-2013, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by cyfreddy

Like you Chris, I would love to stay at a 10 team league, but I just can't see West Virgina setting out there by themselves and liking a 10 team league.

Another thing that is probably way off base but a concern of mine is Iowa State being left out in the cold because we don't have a baseball team.

Don't worry, you are totally off your rocker on the baseball thing.

**simply1** · 01-29-2013, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Rogue52

Another thing to think about with ala carte cable, the availability of channels like FSN, FCS, FX, ESPNU, ESPN 2, etc. where we watch all of our games now, could all magically disappear because they can't be supported.

Thankfully things like cyclone.tv would help alleviate that loss, I wouldn't mind a migration of our games to an improved cyclone network. Yes, we lose national exposure, but then everyone is in the same boat unless you're on the big station. Really, if this happens, we don't know how it pans out or what the new revenue model looks like. Say all of those channels die, where does the content then go?

**simply1** · 01-29-2013, 10:29 PM

I don't see aligning with the worst bcs football conference being super beneficial.

**alarson** · 01-29-2013, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Go2Guy

What's the point in calling yourself the conference champion when you don't play every team in the conference?
Same problem the BCS has now. It's like calling yourself the BCS champ when you haven't played the other team that deserved to be in the championship came. It makes your conference a farce not to play a round robin schedule.

This is just nonsense. Is a basketball team not the national champion if they dont beat every other team in the tournament?

The round robin schedule is highly overrated for football. Id rather have some variety in the schedule.

**Cycsk** · 01-29-2013, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by alarson

This is just nonsense. Is a basketball team not the national champion if they dont beat every other team in the tournament?

The round robin schedule is highly overrated for football. Id rather have some variety in the schedule.

Variety or Quality? For instance, would you trade the Kansas football game for a mid-range SEC opponent?