2 more decommits according to cr

cloneu · 01-18-2008, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by cybsball20

I think one thing to blame is these 'recruiting sites'. These kids are already being called, written, texted by numerous schools and now they have these so call recruiting experts calling them and nagging them too. You think these guys don't want a story? How much pressure do you think they are putting on the kids to 'commit' so they can do a write up?

I wonder how much the recruiting experts contact the kids. I could easily see people saying they committed just to get these guys off their backs.

acs4isu · 01-18-2008, 03:04 PM

Just my opinion on all this...

Cy Hard · 01-18-2008, 03:49 PM

Over information from these recruiting web sites looking for stories prior to a definitive answer from the kids creates all of this. I'm trying to ignore it until signing day. Until they sign on the dotted line, it's ALL heresay.

ketelmeister · 01-18-2008, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Knownothing

Our football recruiting class is probably the worst on paper I have seen since the Walden Era and it's not close. Mac's usually looked decent on paper. They just had a hard time playing some and could not stay in school the other.

Where did you come up with that? How can you compare a class that's still a month from the signing date with a complete class? Truth is, you can't. I see no reason to trash Chizik and co. when the facts aren't in. And saying this is trashing them.

Steve · 01-18-2008, 04:49 PM

The best evaluation of a recruiting class is 2 1/2 years after the signing date. You can see how the class meshed with the class before them as well as the 2 after them. You will know how the Jucos turned out, who enrolled and stayed more than one year, how the redshirts looked in their first real action. There are two problems with this approach - it doesn't sell premium subscriptions and fans are not willing to be patient enough.

madcityCY · 01-18-2008, 05:13 PM

Maybe these players are decommitting, based on Chizik's request- we have too many 4* and 5*'s that are committing (under the radar), and we don't have enough scholarships...

Wishful thinking i know.

SpokaneCY · 01-18-2008, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

Where did you come up with that? How can you compare a class that's still a month from the signing date with a complete class? Truth is, you can't. I see no reason to trash Chizik and co. when the facts aren't in. And saying this is trashing them.

I'm not a doom and gloom guy and the real test will be to see what our kids do on the field over 4-5 year football careers, but thus far this class IS underwhelming. And to say stars don't mean anything is crap.

I trust Chiz but EVERY coach in the nation will stand up and say they signed exactly the kids they wanted on signing day - from Ohio State to Lower Lafayette Polytechnical Academy. But to say the loss of highly rated recruits doesn't matter is absurd.

I think we can have some success if Chiz recruits average players and those players actually stick with the program unlike many of Macs final classes. You can't hope to have any success when your senior class is made up of the remaining 10 guys from a 25 man recruiting class 5 years earlier.

Coaching makes a difference, but there are LOTS and LOTS of great coaches out there. Having great talent to coach makes a huge difference.

ajk4st8 · 01-18-2008, 05:24 PM

We will have some stolen. We will steal some. Its just the name of the game.

Wesley · 01-18-2008, 05:46 PM

Here is one decommit from Auburn:
Five-star RB Enrique Davis has been committed to Auburn since October 2006, but has something happened to change the huge commitment's plans? Has Davis, the No. 3 overall prep school recruit, decided to decommit from the Tigers?

It happens to everyone.

Cyclonepride · 01-18-2008, 05:50 PM

I can't blame all this on the kids. With the competitiveness of major college athletics, I am sure that coaches have to go with a hard sell at times to try to lock them up. It would be tough for kids to deal with that and say no, and they may end up with a case of buyer's remorse. Or they might just be kids who haven't had a lot of experience with major life decisions. Still sucks though, but I don't get excited about anyone until signing day.

ISU4ME · 01-18-2008, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Cy Hard

Over information from these recruiting web sites looking for stories prior to a definitive answer from the kids creates all of this. I'm trying to ignore it until signing day. Until they sign on the dotted line, it's ALL heresay.

Exactly!!!! And that excessive information leads to people on message baords freaking out.

Ironic that those complaining about the decommits are the ones contributing to the problem (fans wanting real time information).

I guarantee you that the coaches would prefer that recruiting was never covered until signing day.

Acylum · 01-19-2008, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by Splendid

I think the funniest decommit had to be in Macs first year when he brought in the best running back from the state of Hawaii for a weekend visit. We were going through a brutal cold snap but with Macs overbearing personallity he got the kid to commit before leaving Ames. When the kid got back to the tropics he called Mac and said I don't think so. I don't think Mac tried to recruit another kid from Hawaii again.

Yes, privy is a good word.

George Ornelles or something like that. Was supposed to be fairly decent. I don't think he ever ended up playing college FB. Might have been kicked off if I remember correctly.

cyclonenum1 · 01-19-2008, 06:45 AM

Gotta love the post in this thread knocking this class as worse than any the "great" Dan McCarney could get...before it is even signed...PLEASE!

I posted a link in the Josh Jordan thread that indicates that our staff is taking the approach with anyone that commits to us that they expect them to make no further official visits to any other schools. It looks to me that we tell the kid that we may rescind our offer if they decide to do other wise and take a visit to another school after committing. Interesting strategy...and maybe the reason for the de-commits. Here is the article: http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/preps/featured/13914247.html

KMAC_ATTACK · 01-19-2008, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by AlanAldaClone

I don't know where this misconception came from but Graham's decommit had nothing to do with grades and it wasn't a decommit so much as we told him he didn't fit our needs anymore. And that's all I'm going to say about it because I don't know how much has already been spilled over here.

Well, it was discussed at great length "Over Here" at that time, all indications were that he was going to be a mid-year transfer and then suddenly on the first day that JUCOs could sign over here, he was taken off our commit list. Not sure how much more you know, or what pauls indicated on his site, but, i cannot believe we recruited this kid, got him to verbal carried him right up to signing day and then decided he didn't fit our system.

Seems a bit coincidental to me....but, your in the know, so, enlighten us....if its not the grades which it may not be, but someone on this message board had indicated that he didnt make grades and beings that he's not signed with anyone else but was supposed to be a mid-year grad, something definately does not add up.

Too bad, i thought watching his rivals tape that he could come in and contribute right away - all the physical tools to play big 12 football and help a position that imo will be a weak spot outside of Hamilton next year. Obviously the coaches sense something along the same lines they recruited Carlson and are still recruiting two other juco wideouts - so that makes me wonder, why does he not fit the system????

Something don't add up......