Section 12 - 30 years at $100

[isuno1fan]

I can at least say I offset your non-renewal. Increased my donation from $1,500 - $2,500 and bought 2 additional full price season tickets to boot.

Hopefully for every story of yours, their is a story of mine and in the long run the overall revenue increases. I hate to see anyone priced out of purchasing season tickets but unfortuantely this seems to be the norm around college campuses. The Rutgers and Boise State stories are nice but for everyone of those great stories, there are the - Iowa States, Baylors, Northwestern, Indiana, and Minnesota's out there.

We might be sitting next to each other at the games. I did the same thing (went from Gold Plus to Captains), but I only got one extra ticket this year.

[BryceC]

This is classic.

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[06_CY]

Besides, nobody's saying "who cares".

You may have missed the post where "who cares" was said, since it was edited. Read the quotes in posts #16 and #18.

JP may be making business decisions and it may be nothing personal, but some feel alienated and the subject seems to put a major split in the fan base, IMO.

[akclone]

You need to take a chill pill and stop putting words in my mouth.

I am not trying to put words in your mouth, I am trying to interpret what you mean by "voting for losing ISU football with your feet" means by not giving more money. I dont think the poster wants ISU to lose, I think by being a fan through 30 years of mostly very bad football he wants to see some wins. When the department shakes him down for more cash he gets frustrated and walks. I cant blame him. When does it end? When does the program become responsible for its own success and failures?
I just feel when fans stop giving they get labeled as being part of the problem.

[CyPlainsDrifter]

I am not trying to put words in your mouth, I am trying to interpret what you mean by "voting for losing ISU football with your feet" means by not giving more money. I dont think the poster wants ISU to lose, I think by being a fan through 30 years of mostly very bad football he wants to see some wins. When the department shakes him down for more cash he gets frustrated and walks. I cant blame him. When does it end? When does the program become responsible for its own success and failures?
I just feel when fans stop giving they get labeled as being part of the problem.

OK, gotcha'.

We all have our limits and has any one of us not thought..... "that's it, I'm done until the wins come?" I would imagine everyone of us has said or thought that at some time. I don't think a fan bailing is "part of the problem"...... but they probably cease to be "part of the solution" when they walk away.

[jbhtexas]

JP may be making business decisions, but ISU sports are not a business, no matter how much it becomes about money. Based on our historical success, if it were a business, we would have closed shop by now.

A certain amount of income is required to provide the facilities and quality of staff necessary to successfully compete in the Big 12. ADJP is making his decisions to generate revenue to meet those goals. I think whether or not those decisions are called "business" decisions is just a matter of semantics. ADJP is making decisions to generate the revenue necessary to meet the athletic department goals of successful competition in the Big 12.

It's unfortunate that ISU has to raise ticket prices such that some folks can't go to games, but the level of revenue necessary to compete in the Big 12 has to be generated somehow. IMO, the bigger problem is the lack of alumni that donate to the CC. The ticket prices have to be raised in part to compensate for the weak alumni donations. That map that shows the % of donating alumni is really sad.

The hard fact of the matter is that presently, many kids who go to ISU are really Hawk fans and have grown up in "Hawk" families, and many of them go right back to being Hawk fans when they leave ISU. That's why I love what ADJP is doing at the "grass roots" level to get families and young kids on the ISU bandwagon. I think this family approach, along with the ability to keep the athletic department's collective nose relatively clean, should be very appealing to Iowa folks. However, it will take a number of years for this approach to bear fruit. In the meantime, ticket prices are probably going to continue to rise.

[c.y.c.l.o.n.e.s]

You sure about that? I know in the earily 90s KSU got a big donation from a fan that helped redo a lot of their athletic facalities. I bet Rutgers has some well to do alum. Not sure about S Florida but there is a lot more talent in Florida than Iowa and it is eaiser to get players to stay there or get them to go there.

Joining in very late, but just wanted to point out that USF is the ninth largest university in the country with over 44,000 students. (Lots of alumni for donations.) They also have the luxury of having a pro stadium (Raymond James) to play their games in.

[akclone]

OK, gotcha'.

We all have our limits and has any one of us not thought..... "that's it, I'm done until the wins come?" I would imagine everyone of us has said or thought that at some time. I don't think a fan bailing is "part of the problem"...... but they probably cease to be "part of the solution" when they walk away.

I think there is some truth to that.
I just hope we have a good season.

[CYKOFAN]

I'm with the few that point out that money is only part of the equation. Nothing is more important than a smart coaching staff that can spot good talent, develop it, and outsmart their opponents on Saturdays. UNI's program has been at least equal to ours the last few years (maybe better), their football budget is a fraction of ours, and they don't have million dollar coaches (I think Farley made $150K last year). We've got good facilities and if we've got a sharp head coach and staff we'll be successful, if we don't, we won't no matter how much money JP brings in.

[tube1]

thats what ushers are for.... feel free to let them know ppl aren't were they should be.

-keep.

Keepngoal, you know by tattling on your friends, you're really just tattling on yourself. By tattling on your friends, you're just telling them that you're a tattletale. Now is that the tale you want to tell?

[Aclone]

Why not stay at $250, move over 1 section, and still enjoy Cyclone Football?

No, Jamie has decided if I can give $250; I should give $500.
I just can't help at that level. I wished he had gone after the 70,000 alumni that give nothing.

After reading many of the pages (but not all), I still thought the first quote here was the most relevant...and thought that the answer was something of a non sequiter.

[brianhos]

Last seasons ticket prices were no where near a "1978 lower level football budget".

First, I find it ridiculous that some people here are telling others how to spend their money.

Second, I'm tired of the "tickets are still cheap" argument...because they aren't cheap. We are mid to upper-mid in the Big 12 for ticket prices. For the product, I would say tickets are expensive and not cheap.

I dunno about the tickets are cheap argument. I just spent more on my tickets for 2008 than I did for my 2008 property taxes, so I don't think we can really say it is cheap for 18 hrs of entertainment. Compute it out and that is $138/hr.

[cyclonenum1]

Joining in very late, but just wanted to point out that USF is the ninth largest university in the country with over 44,000 students. (Lots of alumni for donations.) They also have the luxury of having a pro stadium (Raymond James) to play their games in.

As an FYI to you...USF has recently become quite large in number of students but a significant number are of the "commuter" variety which is a little different than ISU. Additionally, I would guarantee you that ISU has more living alumni than USF...probably by a very large margin. Lastly, why is a pro stadium a luxury? Because they only have to pay rent? The reality is that their FB attendance is pathetic.

[jbhtexas]

I'm with the few that point out that money is only part of the equation. Nothing is more important than a smart coaching staff that can spot good talent, develop it, and outsmart their opponents on Saturdays. UNI's program has been at least equal to ours the last few years (maybe better), their football budget is a fraction of ours, and they don't have million dollar coaches (I think Farley made $150K last year).

This would be an interesting post for the "Heavy Handed" thread, as a counterpoint to those who are questioning the dismissal of the previous football coach...

[HandSanitizer]

You Iowans should consider yourselves lucky. We're looking at 260/wk for 2 and up... infants have now crested $300. Your spouse really has to make a good salary for it to even be worth both parents working full time...

Dang...For that kind of money I better get a live in 21 year Blonde nanny that does more than watch the kids.

300 x 52 = 15600
260 x 52 = 13500
Total for 2 small kids = $29,150

I really hope the cost of living salary is higher in Colorado. I know I have a friend from San Fran and he always brags about how much he makes (Double what I make) But everything is double the cost of what I pay. (see above) That is crazy.


About the whole money thing.
People don't have a right to tell others how to spend their money.
BUT....The thread was started by someone stating that its now too expensive to go to any games. So some people are right by saying that it is too expensive to stay in his current seat, while others are right by saying you can still pay the same or less and move a section over. You also have the option of not being a national cyclone club member and sitting on the hill.

The easiest thing to do if you are short on cash is too just get hillside and put your kids up to 8th grade in the lil cyclone club.
You and your wife with 2 kids can go to ALL the games for $296.
That is why I don't like the "I'm not going anymore" attitude.

Take a look:
Regular Price: $350*
Faculty/Staff (limit of 2): $300*
Letterwinners Club (limit of 2): $300*
Cy's Pack (sect. 1, 2, 17, 18, A, B, K, L): $195
Varsity (Ages 20-29, must be 29 before 8/1/08, limit of 2): $195
End Zone: $125 (on sale May 14 pending availability)
ISU Students: $125
Hillsides: $99
Lil Clone Club (8th grade & below): $49