ISU ushers in new era at receiver - Ames Trib Article

AWOL2000 · 04-09-2008, 11:41 AM

I don't care who they throw it to as long as it is complete for positive yardage. 65% completion percentage this year and I will never complain about who's catching the ball or if they get YAC yards. It won't matter.

isucyfan · 04-09-2008, 11:42 AM

I think we are arguing semantics here. I agree with you guys for the most part, but it is just interesting that you somehow say Hamilton>Blythe as an all-around receiver, but in the same breath say "no one is saying Hamilton is necessarily better than Blythe." Doesn't "better" mean better all-around?

We'll know a lot when we see Hamilton as more of "the man" this year. Blythe dealt with double teams and defenses gameplanning him...Hamilton has not.

I do agree that Hamilton seems more willing to do the little things, though.

ISUFan22 · 04-09-2008, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by AWOL2000

I don't care who they throw it to as long as it is complete for positive yardage. 65% completion percentage this year and I will never complain about who's catching the ball or if they get YAC yards. It won't matter.

Well, we're going to need to improve greatly on our meager 5.8 yards per attempt from last year.

ISUFan22 · 04-09-2008, 11:45 AM

List all the factors that go into making a good/great receiver and next to 'em, list who does that particular thing better between Hamilton or Blythe.

I know who will be on top.

Blythe has shown he's far better in the deep ball. Other than that? Jury is still out on him...

AWOL2000 · 04-09-2008, 11:48 AM

Even if it stays the same at 65% completion that would be way more first downs. But what's the average per completion? Our low percentage brought down the average per attempt. I hope we don't have to throw as much because we are ahead and can run the ball with our hopefully much improved o-line. Fix the trying to catch up in games and that number will improve all on it's own. When they have to respect the run this year all will be much improved.

ISUFan22 · 04-09-2008, 11:50 AM

Actually, it's not simply the low completion %.

Arnaud completed 7% fewer passes than Meyer but his yards per attempt was just over 1.5 yards more than Meyer's was.

On the year, we completed 60% of our passes, not that far off from 65%. Yet so many of them were cheapies, not thrown far at all with very little YAC.

icyguy · 04-09-2008, 04:03 PM

No matter who we have, our passing game would improve if we could hit more receivers in stride rather than having them stop, turn, catch, and then run.

Clones85' · 04-09-2008, 04:21 PM

I find you guys to be very comical in this thread! What do you want our WR's to do? Catch the ball, or block?

This is the same thing that ticked me off about Coach McCarney and his love with Stevie Hicks b/c he was a good blocking RB. Well great coach, but I would rather have a RB who can take one to the house. Same thing goes with you guys thinking Hamilton is a better all around WR than Blythe, because he blocks better. You can't say he is a better WR by his catching ability.

More catches. Blythe
More yards per catch. Blythe
More TD's. 5-1 Blythe

But you guys are right, I would rather have Marguis Hamilton b/c he can block!! This is no way a rip on Hamilton or how important blocking is from the WR position. I love Hamilton and what he brings to the table. But in way, on any possible level, is he a better WR than Blythe.

CycloneWarrior · 04-09-2008, 04:42 PM

i hope carlson and sedrick can help out right away, i wish graham couldve made grades

ISUFan22 · 04-09-2008, 05:20 PM

Yo...why did Blythe have more catches and yards that Hamilton? Because he was the featured senior wide receiver. But anyone with FB knowledge Blythe virtually only gives you a couple things - the deep route, jump-ball routes and the fade (those can be 3 in the same).

Hamilton can do all those plus make the tough catches across the middle, block, etc. No one here was listing blocking as the reason they preferred Hamilton as the better all-around receiver. There is more than just one factor that goes into that.

PS - it's Marquis Hamilton.

Clones85' · 04-09-2008, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

Yo...why did Blythe have more catches and yards that Hamilton? Because he was the featured senior wide receiver. But anyone with FB knowledge Blythe virtually only gives you a couple things - the deep route, jump-ball routes and the fade (those can be 3 in the same).

Hamilton can do all those plus make the tough catches across the middle, block, etc. No one here was listing blocking as the reason they preferred Hamilton as the better all-around receiver. There is more than just one factor that goes into that.

PS - it's Marquis Hamilton.

Yo?

Hamilton can catch the deep route? Hasn't shown it yet.

Okay Mr. Football knowledge, please name the WR who had the most passes thrown to him last year. It wasn't Blythe. That throws out your reasoning of a featured senior getting the majority of the passes, thus resulting in his bigger numbers

Did you watch a game last year? When mediacom has a game on, watch how many curl, slant, and out routes Blythe caught last year. Way more than you would like to give him credit for.

Please tell me the factors that make Hamilton a better all around receiver. It is not catches, yards, and TD's. The 3 most important aspects of the position.

It is unimaginable for you to say that a guy who broke just about every ISU record is a worse all around player than a guy who's stats so far read as 51 catches, 600 yards, and 1 TD.

In case you are wondering Blythe's stats read 176 catches, 3,096 yards, and 31 TD's.

ISUFan22 · 04-09-2008, 05:52 PM

That's odd, I thought I remembered Hamilton reeling in more than one deep ball and a QB missing him when he was wide open on a couple others.

Maybe my memory is slipping...

Clones85' · 04-09-2008, 05:55 PM

Jack Whitver also caught a couple fades from Seneca Wallace but that doesn't mean he was as good as Todd Blythe at it!! Or that he was even good at it at all

Is that all you have in your defense of Hamilton? How is he a better all around WR?

BryceC · 04-09-2008, 05:55 PM

Well, he had a 46 yard reception last year so it had to happen at some point. And yes, he was missed several times.

I watched a lot of games last year and I recall a lot more times when Hamilton made receptions over the middle than Blythe.

If all you're looking at is the numbers, then Bret Meyer is the best QB in our history, and it's a complete no brainer.

Clones85' · 04-09-2008, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

That's odd, I thought I remembered Hamilton reeling in more than one deep ball and a QB missing him when he was wide open on a couple others.

Maybe my memory is slipping...

That was a common thing for every WR, not just Hamilton. Meyer missed multiple passes a game