ISU ushers in new era at receiver - Ames Trib Article

snowcraig2.0 · 04-09-2008, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by clonez

If you don't think Hamilton has the big play ability go back and watch the KU game from last year. He burned Talib on a triple move and would have had a touchdown if it wasn't underthrown.

That was the other play I was trying to remember.

ISUFan22 · 04-09-2008, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

Well Mr. Football Knowledge, you take 2 games, and I will take 4 years. If you want to take 2 games Diante Garrett had a better year than Rahshon Clark in basketball.

All you can tell me is that you think Todd doesn't give it his all, and that Hamilton does. Fair enough but I have a quick question for you.....who is the best WR in football? Randy Moss? Haven't people said for years that he doesn't give it his all every play? But hey you take Keyshawn Johnson b/c he plays hard and blocks.

Oh get a grip, you wanna play that way and start getting snippy - we can play.

But, sticking to the facts, Hamilton has played significant minutes just over one year. Todd had the benefit those first 2 years of a pretty decent surrounding cast - or they played like it much of the time. Defense helped us a lot in getting the ball too.

Hamilton has yet to have that benefit, and Todd didn't get it his last 2 years. Would we be saying the things we do about Todd if his first 2 years were erased? No. If this...maybe that, etc, etc. I know what I saw on the field last year.

I'm very interested to see what Hamilton can do as the main guy. It's my opinion that he's a better all-around receiver than Todd, has showed it, has potential to showcase it more and will start doing that this fall.

You're entitled to your opinion, just don't expect me to agree with it - especially when you're worshiping me by calling me Mr. Football Knowledge.

Clones85' · 04-09-2008, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

Oh get a grip, you wanna play that way and start getting snippy - we can play.

But, sticking to the facts, Hamilton has played significant minutes just over one year. Todd had the benefit those first 2 years of a pretty decent surrounding cast - or they played like it much of the time. Defense helped us a lot in getting the ball too.

Hamilton has yet to have that benefit, and Todd didn't get it his last 2 years. Would we be saying the things we do about Todd if his first 2 years were erased? No. If this...maybe that, etc, etc. I know what I saw on the field last year.

I'm very interested to see what Hamilton can do as the main guy. It's my opinion that he's a better all-around receiver than Todd, has showed it, has potential to showcase it more and will start doing that this fall.

You're entitled to your opinion, just don't expect me to agree with it - especially when you're worshiping me by calling me Mr. Football Knowledge.

You made a earlier about anyone with football knowledge, which was a clear shot at me. Who was being snippy? And Yo? Who are you Randy from American Idol?

I just find it funny that the only credit you give Blythe is if you needed to throw a hail mary! HA. The guy caught slants, curls, outs, fades, posts for us. He did everything a WR is supposed to do minus blocking at times. He did it very well at times and not so on others. But he has proven that he is a very good WR. When I look at a WR I look for somebody who can make plays out there, get into the endzone. Who in the last 10 years has been better than Blythe at that?

snowcraig2.0 · 04-09-2008, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

You made a earlier about anyone with football knowledge, which was a clear shot at me. Who was being snippy? And Yo? Who are you Randy from American Idol?

I just find it funny that the only credit you give Blythe is if you needed to throw a hail mary! HA. The guy caught slants, curls, outs, fades, posts for us. He did everything a WR is supposed to do minus blocking at times. He did it very well at times and not so on others. But he has proven that he is a very good WR. When I look at a WR I look for somebody who can make plays out there, get into the endzone. Who in the last 10 years has been better than Blythe at that?

Seriously, you are making yourself look foolish. 22 has given Blythe plenty of credit. Give it a rest.

clonez · 04-09-2008, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

I just find it funny that the only credit you give Blythe is if you needed to throw a hail mary! HA. The guy caught slants, curls, outs, fades, posts for us. He did everything a WR is supposed to do minus blocking at times. He did it very well at times and not so on others. But he has proven that he is a very good WR. When I look at a WR I look for somebody who can make plays out there, get into the endzone. Who in the last 10 years has been better than Blythe at that?

I agree with this, Blythe was more than just a bomb, fade kind of receiver. With that said, I think Hamilton possesses all the qualities to be a stud receiver.

Clones85' · 04-09-2008, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

Thanks for making my point. If Randy Moss gave the kind of effort we are talking about do you know what you would have? Jerry Rice. Moss is a great player, but he is not all he could be, similar to Blythe at ISU.

What are you talking about? I compared demeanor's of Blythe and Moss. Both have been successful with the kind of demeanor they have on the field. How does that equate to Hamilton being compared to Jerry Rice, which you did? Jerry Rice has set every receiving record in the book basically. Nowhere in the book does it say anything about number of blocks made in a game.

TD's
Yards
Catches

That is the WR's most important job

Clones85' · 04-09-2008, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

Seriously, you are making yourself look foolish. 22 has given Blythe plenty of credit. Give it a rest.

Where? .

ajk4st8 · 04-09-2008, 06:26 PM

Internet battles between posters remind me of rappers trying to burn each other with lyrics. Incredibly stupid:)

cycloneG · 04-09-2008, 06:30 PM

I think instead of calling Hamilton a better all-around receiver it would be safer to say that he is a more complete receiver. I also like how he goes hard every play no matter what the play. He's a player I'm really excited to see play for the next 2 years.

Clones85' · 04-09-2008, 06:32 PM

This whole thread makes me mad b/c now it seems like I am anti Hamilton, when in fact I am not. I like him a lot, and what he brings to the table. I don't know if I have seen enough out of him to say he is going to be our featured WR. I don't know if we will even have one this year, which is fine. There is nothing wrong with having 5 guys that can get the job done equally

snowcraig2.0 · 04-09-2008, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

This whole thread makes me mad b/c now it seems like I am anti Hamilton, when in fact I am not. I like him a lot, and what he brings to the table. I don't know if I have seen enough out of him to say he is going to be our featured WR. I don't know if we will even have one this year, which is fine. There is nothing wrong with having 5 guys that can get the job done equally

The problem is you are not reading everything that we are writing. I stated early in the thread that because Blythe didn't give that extra bit of effort, he never was as great as he could have been in college. Just like how Moss hasn't been as great as he has the potential to be for the same reason. I am not hating on Blythe, but not everyone has it in them to bring it every play. If he had that 'Jerry Rice like' motor, he would have been one of the greats ever on a national level, not just at ISU.

Clones85' · 04-09-2008, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

The problem is you are not reading everything that we are writing. I stated early in the thread that because Blythe didn't give that extra bit of effort, he never was as great as he could have been in college. Just like how Moss hasn't been as great as he has the potential to be for the same reason. I am not hating on Blythe, but not everyone has it in them to bring it every play. If he had that 'Jerry Rice like' motor, he would have been one of the greats ever on a national level, not just at ISU.

No, I don't have a problem with your side of the argument. Blythe could have been better with a little bit extra of effort. But just b/c he didn't and Hamilton does, doesn't mean Hamilton is a better WR. Just like it doesn't mean Joe Jurivicous is better than Randy Moss.

Also there are only a few people out there that max out their potential and that is what makes them Jerry Rice, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird.

ISUFan22 · 04-09-2008, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

This whole thread makes me mad b/c now it seems like I am anti Hamilton, when in fact I am not. I like him a lot, and what he brings to the table. I don't know if I have seen enough out of him to say he is going to be our featured WR. I don't know if we will even have one this year, which is fine. There is nothing wrong with having 5 guys that can get the job done equally

Just as you are painting me as an anti-Blythe guy, right?

Yo, yo...22 is in the house!

MaxPower57 · 04-09-2008, 06:56 PM

Blythe is the most accomplished receiver in Iowa State history. Comparing Hamilton and Blythe's first two years Blythe wins hands down. It is really unfair to judge them at this point. We will see how Hamilton plays when he is the key target of the defense. It seems that people get down on Blythe because he never really lived up to the hype that we as fans put on him, yet he is as good a WR as we've had regardless. Hamilton has yet to really make clutch plays and takeover a game like TB did (A&M, Toledo OT, etc) for our sake lets hope Hamilton ends up better and Im glad they both chose to be Cyclones.

jahfg · 04-09-2008, 07:11 PM

snowcraig, I usually agree with alot of what you say, but your argument is the one that looks foolish. Your point really has nothing to do with clones85's argument.

For the record, I agree with clones85'. The reason ISU fans are down on Blythe is because he didn't live up to the high expectations that were placed on him after his sophomore season. Hamilton has yet to put up any numbers that would put that kind of pressure on him. To compare these players is ridiculous. Blythe's career is pretty hard to match and I would take him over Hamilton as of now.

I don't care if Blythe runs good routes or not as long as he catches the ball. He did plenty of that.