How would Iowa State do the Big 10?

PolkCityClone · 04-13-2008, 01:27 PM

If Ditka coached every sport, we would get about 12 championships every year.

SouthernHawk · 04-13-2008, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

I would think we would be very competitve in the Big 10. One of the upper tier teams. Any thoughts?

No offense, but ISU hasn't really been that competitive in the Big 12 North, and typically (last year is an exception), the Big Ten is stronger than the Big 12 North. By far.

Could ISU get competitive? Sure. But ISU and IU run very similar offenses, and IU hasn't really done much very often. Talent levels at IU and ISU (right now) are very similar as well.

I realize that you think the Big Ten is weak, but there must be some extra high fructose corn syrup in that Kool-Aid.

ketelmeister · 04-13-2008, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

No offense, but ISU hasn't really been that competitive in the Big 12 North, and typically (last year is an exception), the Big Ten is stronger than the Big 12 North. By far.

Could ISU get competitive? Sure. But ISU and IU run very similar offenses, and IU hasn't really done much very often. Talent levels at IU and ISU (right now) are very similar as well.

I realize that you think the Big Ten is weak, but there must be some extra high fructose corn syrup in that Kool-Aid.

In football, Iowa is in the upper end of the middle group. I agree that Iowa State and Iowa are similar talent levels at the moment. That's where I see Iowa State getting to. Not at the top, but in the top half, in the future, and I'm making the assumption we will improve as we did in the second half of last season. And yes, I've been drinking the kool aid. And comparing the Big 10 and Big 12 is tough because of the North and South Divisions. If the North only played each other, it would be easier to assess.

CycloneErik · 04-13-2008, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Stormin

Unfortunately the Big Ten doesn't think the NCAA Tournament lasts more than two rounds.

Would this be a by-product of the counting problem that gives them 11 teams?

CycloneErik · 04-13-2008, 04:06 PM

I like Kool-Aid

SouthernHawk · 04-13-2008, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

I would think we would be very competitve in the Big 10. One of the upper tier teams. Any thoughts?

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

In football, Iowa is in the upper end of the middle group. I agree that Iowa State and Iowa are similar talent levels at the moment. That's where I see Iowa State getting to. Not at the top, but in the top half, in the future, and I'm making the assumption we will improve as we did in the second half of last season. And yes, I've been drinking the kool aid. And comparing the Big 10 and Big 12 is tough because of the North and South Divisions. If the North only played each other, it would be easier to assess.

IU = Indiana. We could start an argument on talent levels between the U of I and ISU, but considering all we have to go on is recruiting rankings (which heavily favors Iowa), I don't think it's an argument worth having.

Sorry, until ISU consistently competes on a higher level, you can't expect to be in the top half of any BCS conference. Assume improvement all you want - that's what most fan bases do. But one step at a time.

cyclonenum1 · 04-13-2008, 04:33 PM

You all give the Big 10 far too much credit...just like the press and voters in CFB...which is why we get a crappy Big 10 team in the NC getting spanked by an SEC school the last two years...the Big 10 gets far too much credit in both FB and BB where it is one of the poorer BCS conferences.

CycloneErik · 04-13-2008, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by cyclonenum1

You all give the Big 10 far too much credit...just like the press and voters in CFB...which is why we get a crappy Big 10 team in the NC getting spanked by an SEC school the last two years...the Big 10 gets far too much credit in both FB and BB where it is one of the poorer BCS conferences.

Amen! I worked out a scenario with a buddy at work to solve this problem:
1) tOSU plays their normal schedule, racks up the wins.
2) OU Sooners have their struggle game, but make the BCS.
3) OU has constant trouble in the Fiesta Bowl. tOSU has horrible luck in the title game.
4) Therefore, so we don't have to see tOSU get destroyed in the BCS title game, or OU beat again in the Fiesta, we set these two teams up in an annual Fiesta Bowl matchup. Just add two deserving teams to the BCS, open up some opportunities, and get these two programs out of the way.

SouthernHawk · 04-13-2008, 04:42 PM

People seem to forget that OSU has won 3 Fiesta Bowls in the past 6 years (including an NC). They've lost two straight title games (against vastly superior teams), and all of the sudden, they should never belong there.

Unfortunately for the Big Ten, the Rose Bowl usually includes USC, which is almost a sure loss for any team.

CycloneErik · 04-13-2008, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

People seem to forget that OSU has won 3 Fiesta Bowls in the past 6 years (including an NC). They've lost two straight title games (against vastly superior teams), and all of the sudden, they should never belong there.

Unfortunately for the Big Ten, the Rose Bowl usually includes USC, which is almost a sure loss for any team.

So, the Sooners and Buckeyes would be a fun Fiesta Bowl matchup, year after year after year.

ketelmeister · 04-13-2008, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

IU = Indiana. We could start an argument on talent levels between the U of I and ISU, but considering all we have to go on is recruiting rankings (which heavily favors Iowa), I don't think it's an argument worth having.

Sorry, until ISU consistently competes on a higher level, you can't expect to be in the top half of any BCS conference. Assume improvement all you want - that's what most fan bases do. But one step at a time.

I don't agree that the rankings really favor Iowa. With all the dropouts and loss of players, it seems pretty close to me on recruiting. And add Bo Williams to Iowa State this year, and we would have move up quite a ways. Not that big of a difference imo

CyCloned · 04-13-2008, 05:48 PM

It all depends on what ISU team you are talking about. If you are talking about the one that lost to UNI, Kent State and somehow found a way to loose to Toledo, near the bottom seems too high. If you are talking about the team that hung in there against OU and MU and beat CU and KSU then the middle seems possible. It is too early in the GC era to tell what we will see in the next couple of years. Also, as the Hawks have found out, IU and NW and IL are no longer the automatic wins they were just 4 years ago. I think MSU will be much improved this year. The Goffers might get better this year, but that would not take a lot.

Cyclone711 · 04-13-2008, 06:40 PM

The big 10 isn't as bad as people think. Get over it. I realize everyone here thinks so because Iowa is in the Big 10, but to say that ISU, a team with not one conference championship, will dominate and compete in the top tier of another BCS conference is very ignorant.

And yes I'm getting really really sick of people saying the Big 10 is inferior, we get it, you don't like them.

Edit: I assume we're talking about FB seeing as it is in the FB section.

CyBobby · 04-13-2008, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by cycopath25

I don't think we could compete in football. Ohio State, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, just to name a few. ( do think we could beat Indiana, and Northwestern)

I hate to burst you bubble but a good high school team could beat Indiana Northwestern Illinois Michigan state and Minnesota!!!

how do you think the squawkeyes always get to bowl games? when the little eleven is this pathetic ... well anyone can win in that lousy league!!

Indyclone · 04-14-2008, 03:47 PM

I think it would probably be safe to say that where ever the Hawks finish is probably about what we would do.

For fun lets W and L their conference schedule as if we were playing it:
Northwestern W 1-0
@Indiana W 2-0
@Michigan St L 2-1
Wisconsin L 2-2
@Illinois L 2-3
Purdue L 2-4
Penn State L 2-5
@Minnesota W 3-5

Sorry but 3-5 will not put you in the top half, and at best I would say we could go 4-4 with a win over Purdue and that probably would be 4th to 6th. This is what I really expect the Hawks to do this year also.