Guess what made the Board of Regents' Agenda?

mwitt · 04-24-2008, 06:03 PM

If the south endzone is bowled in with an upper deck, and if I were a betting man, I'd bet large amounts of money that we will set another record for season ticket sales.

Add in the fact that we plan on being a good football team at that point. Pollard plans on increased demand from excitement from the renovated stadium and a winning program. It's a big risk, but it does kind of make sense.

With that said, I also want a basketball practice facility. Are there no millionaires on CycloneFanatic? Geez.

trueclone2 · 04-24-2008, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by majorcyfan

Isn't the men's BB practice facility the old and I think renovated some, STATE GYM ? THINK SO.

NO, NO, it is in Forker Building. Enter doors on West side, go down hallway to the immediate left follow it to right, look down on practice facility through windows on left.

I think some of you need to see more of campus. I recently took bellzisu there he can confirm as well.

cyismydog · 04-24-2008, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by kg-cyclone

Just curious as to where the practice facility is...to my knowledge we don't have one.

And in a recent article, Coach Mac said that would help recruiting more than anything else. IMO, a practice facility is more important than football upgrade. It could really elevate our basketball program and its recruiting. Again, JMO>

Cyclone711 · 04-24-2008, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by ajk4st8

Take people off the grass EVERYWHERE. No more grass seating. Make people sit in the stands.

Totally agree, make them fill up the stands.

Aclone · 04-24-2008, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by CyRocket

My question is why are we argueing about making ISU better? How good will Jack Trice look with the improvements? How will recruits look at ISU with the improvements? Haveing an attitude that "we will never fill the stadium" is saying that we are not good enough, our fans are not good enough, we should remain #2 to EIU.

Good heavens, I think that before too long we could seat 70K at Jack Trice--and I'd like to keep that option open as the stadium is renovated...it doesn't seem cost effective to tear out a new south end zone or Jacobsen in ten years to add extra seating.

Before you argue, there is an immense untapped market in Des Moines that could easily absorb that many tickets, let alone everywhere else around the state.

Originally Posted by mwitt

If the south endzone is bowled in with an upper deck, and if I were a betting man, I'd bet large amounts of money that we will set another record for season ticket sales.

Add in the fact that we plan on being a good football team at that point. Pollard plans on increased demand from excitement from the renovated stadium and a winning program. It's a big risk, but it does kind of make sense.

It makes perfect sense. You can seel seats if they aren't built, and why turn away paying customers, rather than building a fan base?

With that said, I also want a basketball practice facility. Are there no millionaires on CycloneFanatic? Geez.

If I win the Powerball (or have a Rowling-esque best seller), I've already told the AD office that I'm on that.

Frankly, it may be time to replace Hilton, rather then remodel.

Originally Posted by trueclone2

NO, NO, it is in Forker Building. Enter doors on West side, go down hallway to the immediate left follow it to right, look down on practice facility through windows on left.

I even recall when those courts had a synthetic surface--back when Forker was "Women's P.E."

I was talking to a fellow ISU alum who's not a big basketball fan, and he asked my why we need a practice facility, when we have Hilton. I explained that the basketball team actually has to rent Hilton to practice there, and it costs a great deal. He looked at me and asked, "But wasn't Hilton built for the basketball team? Why should they have tp pay rent?"

I explained that "rent" was a bookkeeping ploy to bill the basketball program, znd he looked wide-eyed at me and said, "That's crazy."

AirWalke · 04-24-2008, 06:31 PM

I wouldn't be surprised to see this go up first. I think it's a fantastic recruiting tool first of all -- imagine being a recruit coming to see Iowa State for the first time. They take the University Ave exit north, and about a quarter mile later, they're rounding the corner and see JTS's brand new south end zone addition nearing close. For many newcomers, JTS is the first thing they see when they come to Ames, and the completion of a state-of-the-art seating facility there on the south end zone would be a hell of a first impression.

Cyclone06 · 04-24-2008, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

I'm just going to state...we won 6+ in '04 and '05. People came, but it still didn't call for an upper deck in the end zone.

"If you build it they will come." That one seemed to work for the state before.

Also I love how southernhawk is complaining about ISU making improvements to their athletic programs. Could be a huge mistake...unless it works out of course. Nice argument.

The hoks could win the National Championship this year, unless they lose 5 games. Why would anyone buy tickets? It could be very dissapointing, or it could be great.

Cyclone711 · 04-24-2008, 06:41 PM

With our history in football I would prefer JP to take risks that give you a chance of being great rather than staying the same old course and expecting things to fall into your lap.

mymanfreddie · 04-24-2008, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Aclone

Good heavens, I think that before too long we could seat 70K at Jack Trice--and I'd like to keep that option open as the stadium is renovated...it doesn't seem cost effective to tear out a new south end zone or Jacobsen in ten years to add extra seating.

Before you argue, there is an immense untapped market in Des Moines that could easily absorb that many tickets, let alone everywhere else around the state.

It makes perfect sense. You can seel seats if they aren't built, and why turn away paying customers, rather than building a fan base?

If I win the Powerball (or have a Rowling-esque best seller), I've already told the AD office that I'm on that. Frankly, it may be time to replace Hilton, rather then remodel.

I even recall when those courts had a synthetic surface--back when Forker was "Women's P.E."

I was talking to a fellow ISU alum who's not a big basketball fan, and he asked my why we need a practice facility, when we have Hilton. I explained that the basketball team actually has to rent Hilton to practice there, and it costs a great deal. He looked at me and asked, "But wasn't Hilton built for the basketball team? Why should they have tp pay rent?"

I explained that "rent" was a bookkeeping ploy to bill the basketball program, znd he looked wide-eyed at me and said, "That's crazy."

Won't the athletic department run Hilton in 2009? That should eliminate all costs...

AirWalke · 04-24-2008, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by mymanfreddie

Won't the athletic department run Hilton in 2009? That should eliminate all costs...

Yes, the athletic department should regain total control of Hilton in a year or two, unless things have changed. That's how I heard it last.

AirWalke · 04-24-2008, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Aclone

I was talking to a fellow ISU alum who's not a big basketball fan, and he asked my why we need a practice facility, when we have Hilton. I explained that the basketball team actually has to rent Hilton to practice there, and it costs a great deal. He looked at me and asked, "But wasn't Hilton built for the basketball team? Why should they have tp pay rent?"

I explained that "rent" was a bookkeeping ploy to bill the basketball program, znd he looked wide-eyed at me and said, "That's crazy."

Also, I thought ISU sold their control of Hilton to the Iowa State Center because they couldn't afford to keep it staffed themselves for clean up, concessions, etc... kind of awful either way you look at it, but still.

theshadow · 04-24-2008, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by mymanfreddie

Won't the athletic department run Hilton in 2009? That should eliminate all costs...

Except that all of the Hilton staff will be on the AD payroll, and they will still have to be paid for event setup and teardown.

The biggest change is that ISU games will move up to priority one. Concerts, conventions, trade shows, etc., will have to schedule around game dates. The only remaining question is where does an ISU practice fall into the scheduling order, specifically from July 2008 until the BB/VB practice facility is finished?

clone2011 · 04-24-2008, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by AirWalke

Also, I thought ISU sold their control of Hilton to the Iowa State Center because they couldn't afford to keep it staffed themselves for clean up, concessions, etc... kind of awful either way you look at it, but still.

I believe ISU is "taking back" Hilton Coliseum. But that doesn't solve the bigger issue--when the current teams do practice in Hilton, there is one court. One. Most high school varsity programs are able to utilize at least one gym that has a full length court and 3 cross courts (Beyer, anyone?).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm almost 100% positive that the teams only have the full court option in Hilton. No smaller courts to run some 3 vs 3 games to work on basics at the same time. No 6 additional baskets so guys don't have to fight over 2 baskets and they can focus on making practice shots instead of "will 3 other shots converge on mine to miss".

theshadow · 04-24-2008, 06:54 PM

With 12 guys on the roster, you can only have two sets of 3-on-3 going at a time -- on the two main baskets. They have a total of 6 hoops set up during practice.

clone2011 · 04-24-2008, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by theshadow

With 12 guys on the roster, you can only have two sets of 3-on-3 going at a time -- on the two main baskets. They have a total of 6 hoops set up during practice.

If you're right (and I have no reason to doubt you), ignore what I said. Maybe I was just misinformed about the # of hoops. Still, we need a basketball facility.

If I was a recruit, facility wise, I'd be more impressed by the school with all practices in one central location that had courts, a film room, coaches offices, nice locker room (perhaps the same one as for gameday, at every practice?), etc., than the school with 3 or 4 building scattered around, and crappy locker rooms--they don't even have their own lockers in Forker or State. They have a locker room--but it's the same one that the general public can use, at least in State it's that way.