Arnaud vs. Bates...or both?

PolkCityClone · 04-29-2008, 09:30 PM

i say let the coaches decide what is best for the team.

ISUAlum2002 · 04-29-2008, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by PolkCityClone

i say let the coaches decide what is best for the team.

Dude, come on. We obviously know more about the situation than the coaches do. We're on the internet, after all!

Cyfan322 · 04-29-2008, 09:45 PM

Maybe we'll end up seeing both of them in the game at the same time, as well as, a bit of a rotation under center.

scyclonekid · 04-29-2008, 10:00 PM

I would like to see one or the other be the starter and not see the rotation of two qb's. In my eyes that looks like the coaching staff do not have their minds made up and they should. No if, ands, or butts about it go with one and stick with it to me the offense would click better knowing the true starter. Bates looked impressive at the spring game, but Arnaud looked good too except for a few passes. Good luck to both qb's.

BryceC · 04-30-2008, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by scyclonekid

I would like to see one or the other be the starter and not see the rotation of two qb's. In my eyes that looks like the coaching staff do not have their minds made up and they should. No if, ands, or butts about it go with one and stick with it to me the offense would click better knowing the true starter. Bates looked impressive at the spring game, but Arnaud looked good too except for a few passes. Good luck to both qb's.

Bates has never thrown a pass in a game. How could they possibly know if he was better than Arnaud or not?

jaretac · 04-30-2008, 12:12 PM

They put Bates in at QB a few times last year, and every time he looked like a deer in the head lights. That is where Arnaud has a arm up on Bates. There is no way to simulate a game in practice conditions, so they have to rotate the two of them to see how each one reacts. I bet Arnaud starts with a heavy rotation of Bates. I also wouldn't be surprised to see both of them in the same play. If Arnaud and Bates still haven't separated by conference play, the coaches will know more about them and will be able to use the style QB that will give us the best chance to win.

TedKumsher · 04-30-2008, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

I think in our case, both guys are legit high caliber Big 12 QB's.

Good optimism but, really? How many Big12 snaps have they taken and what have they done so far? I hope they're high caliber in one of the best conferences.

TedKumsher · 04-30-2008, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by scyclonekid

I would like to see one or the other be the starter and not see the rotation of two qb's. In my eyes that looks like the coaching staff do not have their minds made up and they should. No if, ands, or butts about it go with one and stick with it to me the offense would click better knowing the true starter. Bates looked impressive at the spring game, but Arnaud looked good too except for a few passes. Good luck to both qb's.

I can't say I disagree--but I can't say I agree either. I'd like to hear from someone who played in college on a 2 QB team.

woodie · 04-30-2008, 09:15 PM

bates-he can take to the bank on any given play. arnaud will have to stay in the pocket on passing plays and does not possess the speed which bates has.

Wesley · 04-30-2008, 09:18 PM

Can Arnaud play wide receiver?

Wesley · 04-30-2008, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by BryceC

Bates has never thrown a pass in a game. How could they possibly know if he was better than Arnaud or not?

Trust Gene.

Flynn4Heisman · 05-01-2008, 05:08 AM

Originally Posted by JJ4ISU

I say we play them both until one beats out the other...it happened that way with Flynn and Meyer.

Don't remind me...

Meyer better than Flynn? Or coach prefered one over the other?

This is what truly happened.

Anyway, as for the Arnaud vs Bates, I say rotate all year. Though I think Bates will win out. Of course, with my luck, since I'm a Bates fan, he'll lose the starting job just like Flynn....

jdoggivjc · 05-01-2008, 10:28 AM

Personally, I really don't care too much anymore. I want the QB back there that's going to give us the best chance to get us the most wins possible. I tend to think as of right now Arnaud is that guy, but if Bates beats him out, more power to him...

Originally Posted by woodie

bates-he can take to the bank on any given play. arnaud will have to stay in the pocket on passing plays and does not possess the speed which bates has.

All I'm going to say about that argument is just because Arnaud doesn't have the same running skills that Bates has doesn't mean he's going to have to sit in the pocket for every single passing play. To me this is kind of like the Atlanta Falcons 2-3 years ago when Vick was the starter and Schaub was the backup - Schaub certainly didn't have the running gift that Vick had, but to say that Schaub wasn't a mobile QB and couldn't be utilized on roll-outs and/or even some freelance draws when the protection gave in is flat out ridiculous. Just because Arnaud doesn't have Bates' running ability doesn't mean he's not capable of running at all - it just means he can't do it to the degree that Bates does it. And honestly, it's more important to me that the starting QB can throw a great pass, is a great leader and has unshakable trust from his coaching staff and teammates over the ability to outrun a defense if the O-line caves in on a play. And like I said, if Bates happens to exhibit these traits better than Arnaud, then more power to him.

Phaedrus · 05-01-2008, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Flynn4Heisman

Don't remind me...

This is what truly happened.

Anyway, as for the Arnaud vs Bates, I say rotate all year. Though I think Bates will win out. Of course, with my luck, since I'm a Bates fan, he'll lose the starting job just like Flynn....

I think we all agree that Flynn was one tough hombre.....

BryceC · 05-01-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Flynn4Heisman

This is what truly happened.

He couldn't have preferred him because he thought he gave us the best chance to win, could he?