CBS Dennis Dodd "ISU can't do better than Mac's success"

isuno1fan · 06-19-2008, 07:25 PM

This kind of crap pisses me off. It's not like Danny Mac was a God for cryin' out loud.

I can't wait till we are able to shove this poo down Dodd's throat.

Kyle · 06-19-2008, 07:25 PM

Given that over half of the teams in the country go to bowls now (and it was close to that for Mac) I will be very disappointed if I don't see ISU in a bowl game 5 of the next 11 years. Heck, we could even be in one this year. I don't think 6 wins is unrealistic.

Cyberclone · 06-19-2008, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

Whoa - Coach Mac had a little worse situation coming in, with Walden driving our program into the ground, than what Chizik had.

It was Criner that drove our program into the ground.

JonDMiller · 06-19-2008, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by isuno1fan

This kind of crap pisses me off. It's not like Danny Mac was a God for cryin' out loud.

I can't wait till we are able to shove this poo down Dodd's throat.

I think what you tend to find in the media, is that coaches that are affable and easy to speak with and easy to line up interviews with, are guys that receive and retain most favored nation status, fairly or not.

cyclonedave25 · 06-19-2008, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by scottie33

This is some locker room material right there. Put that stuff on the walls in the locker room and weight room, and there is nothing else that fires guys up more than people who don't think they can do it.

That's what I'd do. When I played sports, nothing pleased me more than proving people wrong.

JHpsyclonz · 06-19-2008, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by SeattleClone

I have a feeling Chizik is hiding in Dennis Dodd's closet as we speak...

The boogey man and Chuck Norris can rest easy for awhile.

Dude Chuck Norris doesn't rest, he lies in wait.

cyclonenum1 · 06-19-2008, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by ahaselhu

I always look at Kansas State. Before Snyder got there, they were a perennial bottom-feeder, and look what he did there. I don't think they've really got anything in Manhattan that we don't in Ames. If they can do it, so can we.

Ditto this. It not only can be done in Ames...IT WILL BE DONE IN AMES UNDER CHIZIK.

My friends, we are going bowling THIS YEAR!!

cyclonenum1 · 06-19-2008, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by JonDMiller

I think what you tend to find in the media, is that coaches that are affable and easy to speak with and easy to line up interviews with, are guys that receive and retain most favored nation status, fairly or not.

This is spot on. Most of these media guys are lazy and they favor guys that make their job easier. I just wish McCarney would have put as much effort into his recruiting and coaching as it appears he put into developing his media relationships.

And it's just not sports media...why do you think politicians fax out their "talking points" to the media pundits on their side of the political isle...because they will just regurgitate it without having to think of any original thoughts/comments.

CloneFan65 · 06-19-2008, 09:16 PM

What? Over? Did you say, "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? H*ll no! And it ain't over now. Cause when the going gets tough. . . the tough get going!!

HandSanitizer · 06-19-2008, 09:47 PM

In another 10 years there will probably be 60 bowl games.

The Swingline Red Stapler Bowl.
Big 12 - 12 versus Big 10 - 11.
Wednesday December 14th 4:00PM

candg4ever · 06-19-2008, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by JonDMiller

I guess you can look at it this way, if you are a pessimist; after this year, Chizik will have 10 years to get ISU into 5 bowl games. I think that is possible.

Actually, after this year's bowl appearance, he'll have 10 yrs. to make it to four more bowl games, which however, will be accomplished in the subsequent five yrs., (by 2013, if you're an EIU math major).

weR138 · 06-19-2008, 09:59 PM

I think what Dodd is missing (because he obviously hasn't done any research because he's not a journalist) is that to many of the jihadists like me the bowls we went to and mostly lost were crappy bowls and somewhat pointless. For the fanatics (like me), ten years without a bowl is the same as tens years going to crappy ones which is why I'm giving Gene plenty of time to get his program in order. If after ten years we've gone to zero bowls it's no worse than going to a string of .com and Idaho bowls.

Also, as many have pointed out K-State was abysmal before Bill Snyder. In an age where App St. beats Michigan, or Navy beats Notre Dame it's simply ignorant in the truest sense of that word to make a statement like Dodd made about ANY program.

Tornado man · 06-19-2008, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by cyclonenum1

This is spot on. Most of these media guys are lazy and they favor guys that make their job easier. I just wish McCarney would have put as much effort into his recruiting and coaching as it appears he put into developing his media relationships.

And it's just not sports media...why do you think politicians fax out their "talking points" to the media pundits on their side of the political isle...because they will just regurgitate it without having to think of any original thoughts/comments.

Wow. McCarney may well have been the hardest-working coach in America. Anyone who thinks different was never around him, that's for sure. During his last season, I was also ready for a change - but no one outworks Dan McCarney. You should hope to have half of his work ethic.

kingcy · 06-19-2008, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

Wow. McCarney may well have been the hardest-working coach in America. Anyone who thinks different was never around him, that's for sure. During his last season, I was also ready for a change - but no one outworks Dan McCarney. You should hope to have half of his work ethic.

Most coachs do work hard. How often do you hear, no one works harder that coach X? I was and am a fan of Macs but there needed to be a change. Yes he would do interviews for anyone who called at anytime and he made the job of the media easy, so he gets a pass on a lot of things. Chizik is not that way he doesnt do many interviews and probaly doesnt do many interviews outside the local media.

Yes the years Mac did good and went to bowl games are great. The media looks at that and hears what he says and thinks everything was great with him as coach at ISU. What they dont see is every game sitting in the stands, on TV or on the radio. The same play ran 20 times a game, the QB getting killed, the same reasons over and over, the same hype, a slow RB, no kicker, the way he wouldnt finish teams off, the fact that his teams got soft. I wouldnt give the McD years back for anything, he did a lot of good things. But it seemed that he lost something in those last few years in Ames.

Tornado man · 06-19-2008, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by kingcy

Most coachs do work hard. How often do you hear, no one works harder that coach X? I was and am a fan of Macs but there needed to be a change. Yes he would do interviews for anyone who called at anytime and he made the job of the media easy, so he gets a pass on a lot of things. Chizik is not that way he doesnt do many interviews and probaly doesnt do many interviews outside the local media.

Yes the years Mac did good and went to bowl games are great. The media looks at that and hears what he says and thinks everything was great with him as coach at ISU. What they dont see is every game sitting in the stands, on TV or on the radio. The same play ran 20 times a game, the QB getting killed, the same reasons over and over, the same hype, a slow RB, no kicker, the way he wouldnt finish teams off, the fact that his teams got soft. I wouldnt give the McD years back for anything, he did a lot of good things. But it seemed that he lost something in those last few years in Ames.

I agree with everything you said - something happened in the last few years, something was defintely wrong. A change had to be made. That last year was awful.
But any insinuation that Mac made himself "available" to the media "at the expense" of his coaching responsibilities is total b.s. Ask Barry Alvarez about his intensity, ask Urban Meyer. Ask Bill Fennelly, for that matter. He has a lot of stories about Danny Mac and his non-stop work days.
Also, just because a coach is not as "media friendly" does not mean they are more dedicated to their job than one who is.