CBS Dennis Dodd "ISU can't do better than Mac's success"

ISUAlum2002 · 06-20-2008, 12:17 AM

This guy and that idiot Dienhart apparently were created from the same mold.

bmuff · 06-20-2008, 10:08 AM

I think that Jon has a point. The media LOVED Mac because he was a great guy. And I think that is a reason why Clone fans loved him as well. But he wasn't that great of a coach and recruiter. If Mac was that great, how come his next job was a position coach at a barely BCS school. Yeah, he moved to FL this season, but he's still a position coach.

Fortunately for us, the situation in Ames is not nearly as dire as guys like Dodd and Dienhart and Lemming make it out to be. They love to say how great a recruiter Mac was when he was pulling 10th place classes. What kind of backhanded compliment is that? Bottom line is that ISU pays their coaches 3rd best in the Big XII. JP will get that endzone enclosed and then our facilities will be at least average in the Big XII, if not above. ISU's gameday atmosphere is great and attendance is about mid-conference. There's no reason why ISU cannot be competitive.

If someone said that ISU was going to 5 bowls in the next 10 years, I wouldn't be happy, I'd be pissed.

akclone · 06-20-2008, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by CloneFan65

What? Over? Did you say, "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? H*ll no! And it ain't over now. Cause when the going gets tough. . . the tough get going!!

Who's With Me?!!

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The_Architect · 06-20-2008, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by ahaselhu

I always look at Kansas State. Before Snyder got there, they were a perennial bottom-feeder, and look what he did there. I don't think they've really got anything in Manhattan that we don't in Ames. If they can do it, so can we.

One thing they've got over us is several high power JUCO programs close to Manhatten.

zimman18 · 06-20-2008, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by hoelsch44

As a head coach, McCarney did at Iowa State what no other coach is likely to do in the near future -- get the Cyclones to five bowls in 12 years. Sorry, Iowa State fans, it just doesn't get better than that in Ames.

This Dodd character obviously never saw Coach Mac coach a game. I do appreciate what Mac did for our program, but I've never witnessed a coach make more bonehead mistakes than Mac. IMO, Mac is one of the best D-coaches in the country, now put him in charge of a whole team, the ship comes crashing down.

Anyway, I salute you Mr. Dodd. My middle finger is raised.

CyValley · 06-20-2008, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by hoelsch44

Glad they list Mac and I love what he did for us, but wanted reaction on this comment. I don't buy it: Dan McCarney, Florida: As a head coach, McCarney did at Iowa State what no other coach is likely to do in the near future -- get the Cyclones to five bowls in 12 years. Sorry, Iowa State fans, it just doesn't get better than that in Ames.

Which Mac is Dodd talking about, I wonder?

The Mac who built the program into a 9-3 winner in 2000? Or the Mac who won one conference game his final season at ISU (and that one in the last seconds on a hotly contested play)?

Heck, Mac wasn't Mac at the end. Most of we fans feared the old Mac was gone for good. Hence, the change.

CyBobby · 06-20-2008, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

I wonder what Chizik thinks about that. Most probably, he has identified it as the load of poopy that it is...

After reading DD's article ....GC probably figures he took the wrong job!!!!LOL

ISUFan22 · 06-20-2008, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by CyValley

Which Mac is Dodd talking about, I wonder?

The Mac who built the program into a 9-3 winner in 2000? Or the Mac who won one conference game his final season at ISU (and that one in the last seconds on a hotly contested play)?

Heck, Mac wasn't Mac at the end. Most of we fans feared the old Mac was gone for good. Hence, the change.

Pretty solid post.

The quote from Dodd could be true - really. I don't think it will be - but we'll start finding out very soon.

snowcraig2.0 · 06-20-2008, 01:13 PM

If this guy had a clue he would look at attrition rates from Chizik's first recruiting class vs Mac's history. That alone should be a good indication of the improvement Gene and co have already made.

CyValley · 06-20-2008, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

The quote from Dodd could be true - really. I don't think it will be - but we'll start finding out very soon.

So true.

Seems like the old adage, "nothing ventured, nothing gained" is at work here. To advance, you've got to take risks . . . hopefully planned, well-calculated risks. But, the status quo had to go.

For me as a fan, JP's hiring signaled a new day's dawning in Ames. JP's hiring was symbolic of a new era emerging. Welcome to change. DanMac had run his course under the old ISU way of doing things.

But, it was riskier, really, staying with DanMac than it was to gently usher him out and in that way revitalize our energies and hopes for the future under new leadership. JMO, of course.

Bottom line: I'm one fan who was ready to risk change for the possibility of huge future gains rather than stay the course we were on. I think I most likely stand with the majority of ISU fans in this regard. God love DanMac, but we did what we had to do.

Gene stands front and center now. He's our man. Through him, we will realize our future. He carries our hopes and dreams on his shoulders. He seems like a good risk to me.

cy1225 · 06-20-2008, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by hoelsch44

Article is about top defensive line coaches in the country. Glad they list Mac and I love what he did for us, but wanted reaction on this comment. I don't buy it: Dan McCarney, Florida: As a head coach, McCarney did at Iowa State what no other coach is likely to do in the near future -- get the Cyclones to five bowls in 12 years. Sorry, Iowa State fans, it just doesn't get better than that in Ames. Garner's Georgia Junkyard Dawgs' bark match their bite - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com Live Scores, Standings, Stats

It is a legit statement...unless Chizok can win 8 or more games 2 of 3 years....as it is it is going to take ISU 3-4 years just to get back where they were in 2005.

anticyclonic · 06-20-2008, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by HandSanitizer

In another 10 years there will probably be 60 bowl games.

The Swingline Red Stapler Bowl.
Big 12 - 12 versus Big 10 - 11.
Wednesday December 14th 4:00PM

I love mumbling Milton

bfross · 06-20-2008, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Mowilly

Dodd is THE guy who picked ISU last in MBB in a pre season magazinein 1999-2000. He is like us and nothing more (other than he has a pen and a paper who will publish him)

I believe he is a Mizzou fan (I could be wrong)

He has no credibility and projects teams worse than my mother does.

Except that most pundits picked us last or close to it in the pre-season that year. We were just coming off a 12-18 and 15-14 seasons with back-to-back losses to UNI (and almost to Drake after winning by only 1 in Ames in '98) only Nurse coming back in the back court after a lackluster season and basically only Fizer in the post. Tinsley, Horton, and everyone else was an unknown commodity at the time.

I don't know if that means his opinion doesn't matter.... but it doesn't mean you have to agree with him either.

BryceC · 06-20-2008, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by cy1225

It is a legit statement...unless Chizok can win 8 or more games 2 of 3 years....as it is it is going to take ISU 3-4 years just to get back where they were in 2005.

True, but after Mac's last season it would have taken a lot of people 3 or 4 years to get back to 2005. And Mac does need to take the blame for that.

PS - I loved Mac and was very sad to see him go.

travman23 · 06-20-2008, 03:26 PM

Well he does have a point, we do have a ways to go just to even get back to the level of success we had under Mac and then the heat will be on for Chizik to take us further than that which is what he was hired to do. I'm patient and know it doesn't happen overnight but I thought all along when we hired Gene if we are not back into a bowl game by his 3rd season it could get ugly around here. Getting back to a bowl game is step 1, contending for conference championships is the next one but we have to reach the first step and not fall back past that if we want to get to the next level.

This is probably one of the tougher jobs in the country.