CBS Dennis Dodd "ISU can't do better than Mac's success"

[bmuff]

Originally Posted by cy1225

It is a legit statement...unless Chizok can win 8 or more games 2 of 3 years....as it is it is going to take ISU 3-4 years just to get back where they were in 2005.

I would have taken Mac at least that long to get back to 2005. Last year, they would have probably beaten UNI and kent with Mac, but I'm betting that they would have gone winless in the Big XII.

[Phaedrus]

Originally Posted by Tornado man

I agree with everything you said - something happened in the last few years, something was defintely wrong. A change had to be made. That last year was awful.
But any insinuation that Mac made himself "available" to the media "at the expense" of his coaching responsibilities is total b.s. Ask Barry Alvarez about his intensity, ask Urban Meyer. Ask Bill Fennelly, for that matter. He has a lot of stories about Danny Mac and his non-stop work days.
Also, just because a coach is not as "media friendly" does not mean they are more dedicated to their job than one who is.

The last few years??? My opinion is that Mac was never really that good. He never developed the skill to consistently surround himself with good lieutenants. The little success we did have was nearly accidental.

He sucked at hiring people who could develop an O-line. He failed miserably, as a leader, when he made himself "special teams coach" in perpetuity, instead of doing his FREAKING JOB and hiring a good assistant who could do the same.

Too many folks who call themselves ISU fans and have never run a business or organization give Danny Mac a pass. If Danny Mac worked for me, I would've fired him the first couple years.

I never saw him doing good leadership. EVER. We lucked out a couple times, and got a good combo of player and coach talent, but they did so DESPITE of the bumbling fool Danny Mac was.

I don't care how hard an incompetent fool works, they are still an imcompentent fool; and I've worked with or for more people like Danny Mac than I care for. BTW, I've very seldom had someone like Danny Mac work FOR me for very long. I usually fire their worthless, cheerleading, non-leading butt pretty quick.

BTW - there's a difference between a cheerleader, a hard-working idiot, and a "real" leader.

[jbhtexas]

Originally Posted by Phaedrus

The last few years??? My opinion is that Mac was never really that good. He never developed the skill to consistently surround himself with good lieutenants. The little success we did have was nearly accidental. [...]

I'll have to give you some positive rep, 'cuz Lord knows you're going to get plenty of negative rep for this one...

Truth hurts...

[CyCloned]

Going to bowl games is not a great feat in the age of a hundred bowl games. ISU pissed away games to UNI, Kent State and Toledo last year. Hell, they almost lost to Iowa with amazingly bad red-zone play. In the early part of the season the OL and defense were basically lost in new schemes. By the time the team figure out how to play the season was over. If they had won those first 3 games the Clones would have been bowl eligable and they were not good at all. This is the main reason that I hold out a little hope to go bowling in 2008.

[Bobber]

Originally Posted by travman23

I'm patient and know it doesn't happen overnight but I thought all along when we hired Gene if we are not back into a bowl game by his 3rd season it could get ugly around here.

Are you sure you're patient?

I'm not sure, but I think it was at least a 20 year stretch between our 70's bowl teams and when McCarney took us back to the promised land. Granted the program is not as run down and has more facility work already done for Gene, but still....

[Cy Heavy]

Originally Posted by Bobber

Are you sure you're patient?

I'm not sure, but I think it was at least a 20 year stretch between our 70's bowl teams and when McCarney took us back to the promised land. Granted the program is not as run down and has more facility work already done for Gene, but still....

You could also go 8-4 during that 20 stretch and not make a bowl, nowadays 8-4 gets you a New Years Day bowl.

[Cy Heavy]

Originally Posted by Phaedrus

The last few years??? My opinion is that Mac was never really that good. He never developed the skill to consistently surround himself with good lieutenants. The little success we did have was nearly accidental.

He sucked at hiring people who could develop an O-line. He failed miserably, as a leader, when he made himself "special teams coach" in perpetuity, instead of doing his FREAKING JOB and hiring a good assistant who could do the same.

Too many folks who call themselves ISU fans and have never run a business or organization give Danny Mac a pass. If Danny Mac worked for me, I would've fired him the first couple years.

I never saw him doing good leadership. EVER. We lucked out a couple times, and got a good combo of player and coach talent, but they did so DESPITE of the bumbling fool Danny Mac was.

I don't care how hard an incompetent fool works, they are still an imcompentent fool; and I've worked with or for more people like Danny Mac than I care for. BTW, I've very seldom had someone like Danny Mac work FOR me for very long. I usually fire their worthless, cheerleading, non-leading butt pretty quick.

BTW - there's a difference between a cheerleader, a hard-working idiot, and a "real" leader.

While I don't share your rage against Mac, I will say that I think Mac was out of his element as a head coach for the first several years-hell, the main reason he landed decent recruits from Iowa in the mid to late 90's was that everyone knew Hayden was on his way out and players didn't want to go through multiple coaches.

[cybsball20]

20 years ago there were 17 bowl games
15 years ago there were 19 bowl games
10 years ago there were 22 bowl games
5 years ago there were 28 bowl games

Next year there will be what, 31 bowl games?

[BryceC]

32 actually, they added another one.

[cybsball20]

Originally Posted by BryceC

32 actually, they added another one.

and there were only 59 bowl eligable teams last year, right????

[cyclonenum1]

Originally Posted by Phaedrus

The last few years??? My opinion is that Mac was never really that good. He never developed the skill to consistently surround himself with good lieutenants. The little success we did have was nearly accidental.

He sucked at hiring people who could develop an O-line. He failed miserably, as a leader, when he made himself "special teams coach" in perpetuity, instead of doing his FREAKING JOB and hiring a good assistant who could do the same.

Too many folks who call themselves ISU fans and have never run a business or organization give Danny Mac a pass. If Danny Mac worked for me, I would've fired him the first couple years.

I never saw him doing good leadership. EVER. We lucked out a couple times, and got a good combo of player and coach talent, but they did so DESPITE of the bumbling fool Danny Mac was.

I don't care how hard an incompetent fool works, they are still an imcompentent fool; and I've worked with or for more people like Danny Mac than I care for. BTW, I've very seldom had someone like Danny Mac work FOR me for very long. I usually fire their worthless, cheerleading, non-leading butt pretty quick.

BTW - there's a difference between a cheerleader, a hard-working idiot, and a "real" leader.

Brother, I am with you on this post! If I were AD and my coach's first 3 years are 3-8, 2-9, and then 1-10...we've got a problem and need a change.

I believe Chizik is the leader we need!

[cy1225]

Originally Posted by Phaedrus

The last few years??? My opinion is that Mac was never really that good. He never developed the skill to consistently surround himself with good lieutenants. The little success we did have was nearly accidental.

He sucked at hiring people who could develop an O-line. He failed miserably, as a leader, when he made himself "special teams coach" in perpetuity, instead of doing his FREAKING JOB and hiring a good assistant who could do the same.

Too many folks who call themselves ISU fans and have never run a business or organization give Danny Mac a pass. If Danny Mac worked for me, I would've fired him the first couple years.

I never saw him doing good leadership. EVER. We lucked out a couple times, and got a good combo of player and coach talent, but they did so DESPITE of the bumbling fool Danny Mac was.

I don't care how hard an incompetent fool works, they are still an imcompentent fool; and I've worked with or for more people like Danny Mac than I care for. BTW, I've very seldom had someone like Danny Mac work FOR me for very long. I usually fire their worthless, cheerleading, non-leading butt pretty quick.

BTW - there's a difference between a cheerleader, a hard-working idiot, and a "real" leader.

How would you know a real leader? What are your qualifications? Posting on a message board does not make you a leader.

Do not try to alter the facts by creating misperceptions. Fact is Dan McCarney lead the ISU football program to 5 bowl games in 6 years, defeated Iowa 5 consecutive years and achieved a national ranking in 2002 that had ISU #9 in the country. Where is the program now?

[travman23]

Originally Posted by Bobber

Are you sure you're patient?

I'm not sure, but I think it was at least a 20 year stretch between our 70's bowl teams and when McCarney took us back to the promised land. Granted the program is not as run down and has more facility work already done for Gene, but still....

Patient as in I didn't expect a .500 season last year like some thought we would and paitient as in I don't see any more than 5 wins this year when some are thinking 7. I do however think that since we fired a coach that had unprecidented success that you can't wait 5 or 6 years to get back into a bowl game so next season is when I expect to see a winning season and only build up from there that will be 3 recruiting classes which is enough turnover on the roster to say these are now "his guys." The goal was to hire a coach to take us to the next level in FB and getting to a bowl game then falling backwards again when the big boys are back on the schedule in 2010 is not what we were hoping for when we hired Chizik. I hope he does it, I hope he has more success than Dan does because that means ISU FB will be a force in the Big 12 and hopefully consistently.

I just want to know when the honeymoon is over for all these Chizik lovers who have put him on a pedestal like he's our savior and start looking at things for what they are and not what we HOPE they are/will be. This is not a 7 win team, 4-5 wins and I'm pleased with some noticible progress considering this was a 3 win team last year that lost a lot of starters at key positions to graduation. Chizik is building a solid foundation right now but he's not a miracle worker.

[cardinal&gold]

Originally Posted by cy1225

How would you know a real leader? What are your qualifications? Posting on a message board does not make you a leader.

Do not try to alter the facts by creating misperceptions. Fact is Dan McCarney lead the ISU football program to 5 bowl games in 6 years, defeated Iowa 5 consecutive years and achieved a national ranking in 2002 that had ISU #9 in the country. Where is the program now?

Fact is Dan's teams also blew a chance at winning the Big 12 North two seasons in a row... and did it in EXACTLY the same fashion, which shows that he did not learn from his mistakes.

Fact is Dan's last season was 4-8, and all those wins were near losses.

Fact is Chizik's first season was 3-9, with near wins against Toledo and Oklahoma and solid wins over two Big 12 programs late in the season.

Yes, Dan took us to #9, but we subsequently got castrated by real Top 25 teams, and the next year after our highest ranking ever, we went 2-10 and were never even close to competitive after midseason.

Prior to Dan, we had coaches who did win 6, 7, 8 games occasionally but did not get into a bowl game. If the same number of bowls existed back then, it wouldn't have been 22 years between bowl games for this program, and Dan's successes would not shine so brightly.

[jbhtexas]

Originally Posted by cy1225

Do not try to alter the facts by creating misperceptions.

A couple of more facts for you:

56-85 0.397 overall
27-68 0.284 conference

Pretty hard to misperceive that...

Originally Posted by cy1225

Where is the program now?

If you must know, it is emerging from the sorry state that the previous coach left it in...