Dave Barrent

DJK15 · 06-24-2008, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by bootcy

Maybe the problem here is Iowa. Because analysts also got Dan Doering wrong. Doering was a 5 star OT ranked as the #4 OT in 2005 and #27 overall and he is yet to start and was overtaken by a 3 star from the 2006 class. Let Iowa get the high ranked OL, they just get wasted there.

Yeah...I'm sure that had nothing to do with the fact that for Dan's first 2 seasons he was suffering from a chronic foot problem. The same problem that Detroit's Kevin Jones had. Once he finally got healthy and got into the game last season, he and Bulaga dominated.

bootcy · 06-24-2008, 08:38 AM

Regardless, if you are the #27 player in a class you better be starting by your junior year or you are considered a bust, especially at Iowa who isn't exactly setting the world on fire lately.

ozzie8 · 06-24-2008, 08:41 AM

I guess the problem I have with these types of threads is we only hear the bad. Of course, we dont hear the part where the highly rated prospect absolutely pounded and dominated the kid across from him, that isnt newsworthy I guess. We just hear about the few times he got beat and then run to a message board with that info. The kid is a highly rated prospect, hes going to be under a microscope. Its football. Any player can get beat on a given play.

DJK15 · 06-24-2008, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by bootcy

Regardless, if you are the #27 player in a class you better be starting by your junior year or you are considered a bust, especially at Iowa who isn't exactly setting the world on fire lately.

I don't know that I'd ever label someone a bust because they were injured. It doesn't matter how good you are if you aren't healthy enough to get on the field. If we're going by your standards though, we'll find out this season, as he is a junior.

bmuff · 06-24-2008, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by DJK15

Yeah...I'm sure that had nothing to do with the fact that for Dan's first 2 seasons he was suffering from a chronic foot problem. The same problem that Detroit's Kevin Jones had. Once he finally got healthy and got into the game last season, he and Bulaga dominated.

OK, what about Felder then? Or Larson? I'd even say that Mike Jones was overated for what he did in college. It seems like every year iowa signs some highly rated OL who ends up being a bust while they turn a two star into all conference material.

Bottom line is that HS OLs are rated on potential. And potential can be reached by some, but some never reach it. Look at Fiacco that signed with ISU. He had the most impressive OL film I'd ever seen, yet isn't even starting for UNI now. Most OLs dominate in HS on their size alone, but struggle when they come up against someone with similar size or great athleticism (like the player from Roosevelt). That doesn't mean that Barrent isn't going to be good, just that he has to grow into his body and get used to playing against better competition. Going to iowa, though, I'd bet more on bust and some nobody two star getting drafted instead.

BTW, anyone who chooses iowa for their engineering program over ISU and Illinois either is not very smart, or not serious about engineering.

cyclonejk · 06-24-2008, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by DJK15

Yeah...I'm sure that had nothing to do with the fact that for Dan's first 2 seasons he was suffering from a chronic foot problem. The same problem that Detroit's Kevin Jones had. Once he finally got healthy and got into the game last season, he and Bulaga dominated.

"he and Bulaga dominated", are you sure you were watching the same offensive line as I was, becuase I saw an offensive line that was GETTING dominated, not doing the dominating. They were so dominating that I thought for a moment that it was a mirror image of Robert Gallery and Eric Steinbach playing side by side once again. HAHA

Cydkar · 06-24-2008, 10:01 AM

Dear God. Can't we just agree that we don't know how good Barrent will be in college and move on?

Bracker · 06-24-2008, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by BigM

yep and i mean absolutely dominated think phillip bates on mike klinkinborg dominated

Nice...

cytheguy · 06-24-2008, 10:17 AM

I will give Iowa props for their line play when Bulaga and Doerring were healthy and in at the same time last year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it the Illinois game that they were dominating?

In Iowa's defense, you can't call a kid like Doerring a bust when he missed almost his entire redshirt year with an illness and his redshirt freshman year with an injury.

All that said, with the talent Iowa has on its o-line and the reputation it has for developing NFL linemen, if they don't produce this year something's wrong.

Indyclone · 06-24-2008, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by bmuff

BTW, anyone who chooses iowa for their engineering program over ISU and Illinois either is not very smart, or not serious about engineering.

While we do have an outstanding engineering program, Iowa isn't really that far behind. This is from 2006 and ISU comes in 41st while Iowa is 52nd. So not a whole lot of difference to me. Has it come to this where we now bash high school kids? He will more than likely red-shirt his first year so that gives him two more years to develop and who knows what he will be like then as compared to now.

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ISU4ME · 06-24-2008, 10:42 AM

Amazing!!! We have went 3 whole pages of talking about the hawks and not one player has been charged with a crime since the thread started.

This has to be a record!

bellzisu · 06-24-2008, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by cytheguy

I will give Iowa props for their line play when Bulaga and Doerring were healthy and in at the same time last year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it the Illinois game that they were dominating?

In Iowa's defense, you can't call a kid like Doerring a bust when he missed almost his entire redshirt year with an illness and his redshirt freshman year with an injury.

All that said, with the talent Iowa has on its o-line and the reputation it has for developing NFL linemen, if they don't produce this year something's wrong.

Those two absolutely got "owned" by Western Michigan at the end of the season in Kinnick. I think I went to 3 of their games last year and was never impressed with their line at all....

They made Indiana's d line look the steal curtain in comparison.... Seriously what games did they dominate???

BigM · 06-24-2008, 11:01 AM

no in one on ones he was totally dominated by a 315lb dt and in scrimmage he couldn't get his hands on a 205 lb sophmore de (then again no one else at that camp could either)

BigM · 06-24-2008, 11:02 AM

6'8" 290 does not equal 6'0" 205 so it's not just guys his size he can't stop the little quick guys either

ozzie8 · 06-24-2008, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by bellzisu

Those two absolutely got "owned" by Western Michigan at the end of the season in Kinnick. I think I went to 3 of their games last year and was never impressed with their line at all....

They made Indiana's d line look the steal curtain in comparison.... Seriously what games did they dominate???

Neither Bulaga or Doering played against Indiana.

Western Michigan ends were beating Seth Olson and Calloway off the edge. The pressure wasnt coming up the middle, where Bulaga and Doering were at guard.