2008 Re-entry to JT if you leave at halftime

[ornryactor]

Originally Posted by Broodwich

What happens if someone falls out of the pressbox drunk? What happens if they fall down the VIP Elevator shaft after too many sidecars? Does being wealthy mean you handle your booze better?

In a sense, yes. Being wealthy enough to be in a suite pretty much guarantees that you are an adult and a professional, not a college student. While I don't mean to insinuate that college students (I am one!) are unprofessional and can't act responsibly, the biological fact is that we behave differently than people in middle-age. Those people in the suites are less likely to go on extended alcohol binges, and are less likely to find drunken entertainment in activities that could result in injury or death. That is not the case with college students. Architecturally speaking, there are also fewer reasonable threats to safety for an older person in a suite than for a college student in the stands. Additionally, suites are small groups, small enough that it will be known if someone is old enough to have alcohol or not. The concession stand workers on the concourse do not have the same capability.

It sounds like something we should be automatically offended at: those dratted aristocrats holding us plebians under their thumbs; but have the maturity to sit back and think about it for a moment from a third-person perspective: it does make sense that those in the suites can likely make more mature decisions regarding alcohol and under its influence than can those in the stands (especially high school and college students).

[PackerClone]

Having worked for catering before and in the suites specifically, the subject of beer in the suites and not anywhere else in the stadium came up a lot. The official version of the story is that Iowa State as a whole is a dry campus, the stadium and Hilton included, now, there are two exceptions to this rule, Beardshear Hall specifically or anywhere else where an official catering event is scheduled and the number of underage people present is at a minimum and the second is the suites at Jack Trice where there is an employee in each box to monitor and make sure that no underage kids were "sneaking" stuff (and the box has to request alcohol service). This may not seem all that fair but i think you can see what the university is trying to do, limit possible underage drinking and the liabilities that go along with that.

[bmuff]

Originally Posted by Rogue52

Yes.

No reentry now that there are more restrooms.

Are you sure about that? On the east side, there are NOT more restrooms, there are less since they demolished one of the buildings. I was under the impression that pass-outs were going to be allowed one more year until the new restrooms are done on the east side.

I don't think that security would be a huge issue if it were only one gate that allowed people back in.

[ornryactor]

Originally Posted by bmuff

I was under the impression that pass-outs were going to be allowed one more year until the new restrooms are done on the east side.

That was last summer. They allowed pass-outs in 2007 while waiting for the west-side renovation to happen. The same policy won't be in effect this year because the Phase II renovation of Jack Trice isn't even on the radar yet, much less going to be done for 2009. If, for some reason, there is a catastrophic failure in restroom availability during the 2008 season, they may reverse it for 2009, but I really don't see that happening.

[BryceC]

Originally Posted by theshadow

What happens the first time someone falls over the balcony? Which beer that that person consumed caused them to fall -- the 14 they drank in the parking lot, or the 2 they bought in the stadium?

I'm not for selling beer in the stadium but pro arenas sell beer by the gallon and nobody ever falls over the balcony. It's a possibility but with how drunk people are when they come in it's always a possibility.

[theshadow]

Perhaps not over a balcony, but there was a death at Turner Field in May...

"A Braves fan had been drinking alcohol before he fell down a stairwell to his death at Turner Field during Wednesday night's Braves-Mets game, authorities said....Hayes suffered head injuries when he fell an estimated four levels inside to field level, striking concrete and metal railing, according to Atlanta Police spokesman Ron Campbell.

Campbell said he did not know how much or how long Hayes had been drinking....Hayes was reported to have been sliding on a handrail in the bottom of the 8th inning when he slipped off. He was rushed to Grady Memorial Hospital, where he was pronounced dead."

...in addition to two instances in 2007 (both in New York) of intoxicated people falling down multiple rows of seating and landing on other fans, causing injuries.

AP story from Yankee Stadium

NY Post story from Shea Stadium

[BryceC]

So one was a drunk guy falling down the stairs after trying to slide down a rail - the others were guys who fell down in the stands - much different than a balcony.

The rail thing is so incomprehensibly stupid (and could happen anyway with how much people drink outside the stadium) I don't even think it really applies.

The others I have personally witness inside of Jack Trice. Like I said, I don't think they should sell beer for an abundance of reasons but to suggest the behavior in the stadium will actually get worse... Well it's possible but with the level of drunkenness already at FB games I can't it get getting a whole lot worse, especially at 7.00 a beer.

[Broodwich]

Originally Posted by BryceC

especially at 7.00 a beer.

I think you hit the nail right on the head. The smartest approach is probably pricing it to moderation.

[everyyard]

Originally Posted by rworkman83

I believe since the venue is on the college campus and is owned by the school, they aren't allowed to sell beer per ncaa rules.

explain that to CU...you can get beer at their stadiums. Also, I have said before, we need a general admission "Jack Trice South" that is gated separate from the rest of the stadium. It would sell alcohol and be the equivalent of the bleachers at Wrigley.

[everyyard]

Originally Posted by Broodwich

I think you hit the nail right on the head. The smartest approach is probably pricing it to moderation.

I think this is an excellent idea. If you want it bad enough the University is going to collect for it. Just price it so that to get really drunk you're going to have to spend $50.00.

[Tornado man]

Originally Posted by everyyard

explain that to CU...you can get beer at their stadiums. Also, I have said before, we need a general admission "Jack Trice South" that is gated separate from the rest of the stadium. It would sell alcohol and be the equivalent of the bleachers at Wrigley.

No you can't. I was there the year before last, for the ISU - Colo game. Beer was not sold.

[Flag Guy]

Hmmm.... maybe it's time to start using the capes for what they were origionally concieved for



On a slightly more serious note... glad to hear it, though I can see for the first year or so some issues with people leaving at half time and not coming back. Hopefully that will be a minimum...

[Tornado man]

Actually, I've made it out to Folsom Field for ISU-Colo. several times since the mid-1990's - beer hasn't been available at any of them.

[Psyclone]

This disappoints me. I generally do not leave at halftime, but it is a luxury that I like having for different reasons. The most important is to get cooled down on those really hot games. I have become soft with air conditioning and a pool making my life pretty much devoid of unbearable heat. Having the opportunity to cool down in the car at halftime has been a lifesaver on a couple of occasions. I've also had a few other reasons to leave at halftime. Here is my list in priority order:

1. To cool down during hot games.
2. To warm up during cold games. (Not usually necessary anymore due to those chemical warmers.)
3. To meet long lost friends and relatives. Last year I met a relative at halftime of the UNI game that I hadn't seen except at family funerals. It was his first game at Jack Trice and the pregame, halftime and post game with him and other cousins was something I'll remember for a long time.
4. To get my radio that I forgot. Had to do that once last year. I could probably live without it, but it seems the John, Eric and Ben have a lot more insight as to what is going on than I usually can see.

Having said that I probably average leaving at halftime one game every two years, so it's not a big loss. But it was nice to know you could do it if necessary.

[ia8manfan]

I've been to several College of Engineering social functions where it is 75% students and 25% recruiters and they served alcohol. On campus at the MU.