2 QB system thoughts...

Aclone · 08-29-2008, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by cycloneG

I agree. We didn't throw the ball down the field much which is definitely an Arnaud strength. Bates's long balls looked to be high. Bates is an exciting player but Arnaud is definitely a better passer. He had some real zip and accuracy on the few throws that went downfield.

And, not to be a wet blanket, but I really don't mind if they don't showcase some of Austen's strengths--for another couple of weeks or so. Let folks in Iowa City have a, umm...pleasant surprise.

Pleasant for us, anyway.

ahaselhu · 08-29-2008, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by cmoneyr

2 QB systems don't work. The team needs to be able to get into a rythym, to rely on a QB that they know, having 2 QB's makes that very difficult.

I'm not as high on Arnaud as most on this board seem to be. I think Bates has the greater potential given his athleticism. We're going to need all the weapons we can get. Bates showed good decision making this game in regards to his passing, add to that what he can do with his feet and I think we have to think about giving him the nod.

Based on last night, I think Bates also has a much greater potential for turnovers, which we can't afford either. But I'm reserving judgment until they open up the playbook a little more. The good news is they both look very capable.

cyclonenum1 · 08-29-2008, 10:53 AM

Why don't you tell the last two National Champions that "2 QB systems don't work"...Florida (Leake and Tebow) and LSU (Flynn and Perrilloux).

cmoneyr · 08-29-2008, 11:03 AM

Based on last night, I think Bates also has a much greater potential for turnovers, which we can't afford either.

1 fumble on what I believe was his first series at QB. He took some shots after that and held onto the ball fine, I'm not too worried about it.

Clones85' · 08-29-2008, 11:04 AM

Since when do you have to be a ridiculous athlete to be a QB?!?! The top 2 QB's in the NFL can't run faster than a 5 second fourty.

Arnaud is no doubt the better QB. Hard to argue at this point. He has a better grasp for what the coaches want to do, but Bates is electric. I see nothing wrong with him getting 3 series a game to try and make some plays. He can't make all the throws that Arnaud can but he can make enough

cmoneyr · 08-29-2008, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by cyclonenum1

Why don't you tell the last two National Champions that "2 QB systems don't work"...Florida (Leake and Tebow) and LSU (Flynn and Perrilloux).

They were hardly "2 QB" systems, Tebow threw about 30 passes in 2006 and Perilloux saw hardly any playing time last year. There was definitely a clear 1st string and 2nd string.

erikbj · 08-29-2008, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by superdorf

Jack Whitver said something interesting on Cyclone reaction last night, something like:
"To me, having 2 quarterbacks is like having NO quarterbacks."

Well I guess Florida had no QB's 2 years ago when they won the national championship. That is one of the dumbest comments ever heard.

I could see if SDSU was rotating QB's during their 5 int evening, saying having two = none. But Bates and AA both played well and I would be happy if either one leading this team over last years QB.

cmoneyr · 08-29-2008, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by erikbj

Well I guess Florida had no QB's 2 years ago when they won the national championship. That is one of the dumbest comments ever heard.

I could see if SDSU was rotating QB's during their 5 int evening, saying having two = none. But Bates and AA both played well and I would be happy if either one leading this team over last years QB.

Nearly every play Tebow ran was him being a glorified fullback, I hesitate to call that a 2 QB system, the guy threw like 30 passes all season.

erikbj · 08-29-2008, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

Since when do you have to be a ridiculous athlete to be a QB?!?! The top 2 QB's in the NFL can't run faster than a 5 second fourty.

Is ISU on Sunday Ticket??? Oh yeah, they still play college football where athletic QB's win National championships......Vince Young, Tim Tebow, Ryan Perioulx, Tommie Frazier, charlie ward, Darrin Haggen (thought he was the qb from colorado 90)

erikbj · 08-29-2008, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by cmoneyr

Nearly every play Tebow ran was him being a glorified fullback, I hesitate to call that a 2 QB system, the guy threw like 30 passes all season.

Ok Perioulx adn Flynn last year....the only reason LSU was able to play in the National championship was b/c Perioulx played in the SEC championship game because flynn was hurt.

cmoneyr · 08-29-2008, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by erikbj

Ok Perioulx adn Flynn last year....the only reason LSU was able to play in the National championship was b/c Perioulx played in the SEC championship game because flynn was hurt.

Playing for an injured 1st stringer doesn't count as a 2 QB system either, that's called being a backup.

I think all of this is a moot point anyways because we are not as good as Florida was 2 years ago or LSU was last year. It takes a special team to be able to run 2 QB's successfully, to be able to deal with having to change how you play depending on what QB is in the game, that's tough.

Aclone · 08-29-2008, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by ahaselhu

Based on last night, I think Bates also has a much greater potential for turnovers, which we can't afford either. But I'm reserving judgment until they open up the playbook a little more. The good news is they both look very capable.

Also, much greater potential for getting hurt.

Originally Posted by cyclonenum1

Why don't you tell the last two National Champions that "2 QB systems don't work"...Florida (Leake and Tebow) and LSU (Flynn and Perrilloux).

I guess either school's overwhelming athletic talent had nothing to do with that, either. Generally speaking, focusing on one starting quarterback is an advantage.

Clones85' · 08-29-2008, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by erikbj

Is ISU on Sunday Ticket??? Oh yeah, they still play college football where athletic QB's win National championships......Vince Young, Tim Tebow, Ryan Perioulx, Tommie Frazier, charlie ward, Darrin Haggen (thought he was the qb from colorado 90)

You named 3 QB's that won titles by themselves in that group. Not sure how you can count Tebow and Perriloux in that.

Flynn, Leinart, Weinke, Chris Leak, Krenzel, Dorsey, Josh Heupel since 2000. Vince Young is the only athletic QB to win it since than

I think the argument that Bates should play over Arnaud b/c he is more athletic is absurd. He should play over him b/c he is better. QB is a position that you don't need wonderful speed to be great at. That is why Arnaud will get the majority of the snaps. He has the better arm, is more accurate, and reads defenses much better. But we still have to get Bates on the field at QB to change things up IMO

ahaselhu · 08-29-2008, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by cyclonenum1

Why don't you tell the last two National Champions that "2 QB systems don't work"...Florida (Leake and Tebow) and LSU (Flynn and Perrilloux).

I don't think this qualifies either, as Flynn threw 4-5 times as many passes as Perrilloux.

cmoneyr · 08-29-2008, 11:28 AM

Austen doesn't exactly have all the experience in the world. He's thrown like 30 more passes than Bates has.

and reads defenses much better.

I haven't really seen anything to make that argument. Not saying it may not be true, but how do you come to that conclusion?