Arnaud/Bates..strengths-weakness

**Aclone** · 09-16-2008, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by FD Cyclone

sets up a high level of QB competition for next year.

Next year, if PB hasn't seized the starting job, AND if he elects not to switch positions, then he should redshirt. No ifs, ands or buts. That way he'd have his own year to start after Austen leaves.

**ISUFan22** · 09-16-2008, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Aclone

Next year, if PB hasn't seized the starting job, AND if he elects not to switch positions, then he should redshirt. No ifs, ands or buts. That way he'd have his own year to start after Austen leaves.

Tiller would disagree with you.

As would I. Ya don't redshirt a guy like Bates midway through is collegiate career.

**snowcraig2.0** · 09-16-2008, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by cybsball20

alot easier than doing it post draft... One of my favorite safeties ever, John Lynch was a college QB.

Man crush alert! Just kidding!

**ISUFan22** · 09-16-2008, 08:50 AM

It's a dangerous thing having a safety back there with a quarterback's mind. Dangerous for the other team, that is. :)

I would hope that if it's clear Arnaud is the better guy, Bates would make a move that would not only better the team - but himself. Same for the other way, should Bates progress and distance himself.

If Bates did make a move to defense, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing him still used on offense in some cases.

But I'm getting a head of myself here - as the race has yet to be decided. But there is clearly a leader at this point, that much is obvious.

**BryceC** · 09-16-2008, 08:53 AM

I don't know what to do about them, but honestly to this point neither one has really blown me away. I think we'll see them both as long as we need to.

**Aclone** · 09-16-2008, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

Tiller would disagree with you.

As would I. Ya don't redshirt a guy like Bates midway through is collegiate career.

You also don't waste a talented athlete playing only two or three series a game.

**cybsball20** · 09-16-2008, 08:58 AM

McFarland on Cotler said there were three reasons for the trouble getting plays in.

1) Arnaud had mud all over his wristband and couldn't clean it enough to read the play.

2) McFarland just took to long getting the play in.

3) They couldn't get the correct personnel groups in the game in time.

**ISUFan22** · 09-16-2008, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Aclone

You also don't waste a talented athlete playing only two or three series a game.

I'm completely with you there - have said the same thing. It's really the only reason I'm not loving the 2 QB system, everything else about it I like so far.

We need both of these guys on the field as much as possible.

**BryceC** · 09-16-2008, 09:38 AM

I think you'd be hard pressed convincing a sophomore to readshirt before his junior year. I mean I can't think of a single time that has happened. Frankly I would imagine a transfer would be likely if they were trying to push him to redshirt as a junior.

**Clonefan94** · 09-16-2008, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

I'm completely with you there - have said the same thing. It's really the only reason I'm not loving the 2 QB system, everything else about it I like so far.

We need both of these guys on the field as much as possible.

I don't disagree, but I think they need to be on the field at the same time.

**ISUFan22** · 09-16-2008, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Clonefan94

I don't disagree, but I think they need to be on the field at the same time.

Um, that's what I'm saying.

Originally Posted by BryceC

I think you'd be hard pressed convincing a sophomore to readshirt before his junior year. I mean I can't think of a single time that has happened. Frankly I would imagine a transfer would be likely if they were trying to push him to redshirt as a junior.

Right. Forcing/suggesting a redshirt like that would really give incentive to a guy for a transfer.

**djkent01** · 09-16-2008, 09:46 AM

Chizik was pretty forceful yesterday, as he has been on this topic consistently. "Bates is a QB".

I think we're going to see a lot more of Bates Saturday on that fast track, and I think he's going to break a couple of long ones.

**snowcraig2.0** · 09-16-2008, 09:47 AM

I think it is clear that Bates and Arnaud are 2 of our top 5 players on offense. At a school like ISU, you simply have to play them both. That means Bates at WR and Arnaud at QB. Bates at safety makes some sense too, but I have the feeling getting him to play WR would be an easier sale.

**Clonefan94** · 09-16-2008, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

Um, that's what I'm saying.

Right. Forcing/suggesting a redshirt like that would really give incentive to a guy for a transfer.

Apologies, I read that wrong. I read it as though that's what you liked about the 2 QB system.

**cybsball20** · 09-16-2008, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

I think it is clear that Bates and Arnaud are 2 of our top 5 players on offense. At a school like ISU, you simply have to play them both. That means Bates at WR and Arnaud at QB. Bates at safety makes some sense too, but I have the feeling getting him to play WR would be an easier sale.

Kansas has been in the same situation and they haven't hesitated at all to play Kerry Meier, in fact he has 10 more receptions than anyone else on the team.