Are we the worst team in the history of Big 12/Big 8?

[Bubbahotep]

Who cares? I'm not an Iowa State fan because we won X amount of games, or have appeared in x amount of bowl games, yada, yada. I'm a fan, because no matter how bad we are, It is still a good time, the fans are good people, and I spent 5 of the best years of my life there, and that was at the end of the Walden era, and the beginning of the McCarney era. It don't get much worse than that. I think the fact that Iowa State hasn't had much success makes us better fans anyway, because we do appreciate the good times more.

[Aclone]

I don't get the point of the discussion, other than to put someone down. "Being nice" or not, your "friend" is being snarky (did I use that word right?). It's kinda like saying that because you're a virgin at age eighteen, you're always going to be a virgin.

Uh, or forty, for that matter.

[MontyBurns]

We are way not the worst team in the history of the Big 12. We're the second worst. Since it's inception, Baylor's conference football record is 11-85. Ours is 28-68.

[dustinal]

Originally Posted by MontyBurns

We are way not the worst team in the history of the Big 12. We're the second worst. Since it's inception, Baylor's conference football record is 11-85. Ours is 28-68.

If we were in the South and Baylor was in the North, you could make an argument that we would have the worse record.

[mustangcy]

What the hell difference does it make? Obviously we are not Oklahoma but to say programs like KU, KSU, Baylor or even Mizzou some how have tons more tradition than us is just dumb.

More importantly what happens on Oct. 18 when we beat nebraska? I'd tell my "nebraska friend" to go F himself.

[Go2Guy]

Originally Posted by ISU_Alum_2000

If this is for football only, then yes. We are the worst. Unfortunate, but true.

Thank you; I agree it's true for football. When the majority admits this, then we can move in unison to address it and we can't spin it any other way.

[MontyBurns]

Originally Posted by CLONE2THEBONE

He says no and that Baylor won their conference a couple times right before joining the Big 12.

He is right. Baylor has a winning all-time record of 518-515 and has won 7 conference titles, the most recent being a tie in 2004.

Baylor Bears football - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[cyclonenum1]

I thought Big 12 play did not commence until fall of 1996?

With the exception of last year and this year we had only one coach during our time in the Big 12 for FB. Over those 11 years of Big 12 play under McCarney we were 26-62 in conference games. Baylor was 11-77 and KU was 23-65 during that same period...they are the only two teams with worse FB records.

Wow, I stand corrected...McCarney really did a great job at ISU (tongue firmly in cheek)...how can people continue to pine away for Danny Mac is just beyond me.

[dustinal]

Originally Posted by MontyBurns

He is right. Baylor has a winning all-time record of 518-515 and has won 7 conference titles, the most recent being a tie in 2004.

Baylor Bears football - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think you mean 1994, and it was a 5-way tie in an eight team conference. Seems like that shouldn't even be possible, but I guess it happened.

And I think if you're talking about the history of the Big 12, you should only talk about what the teams have done since they entered the Big 12, which was in 1996.

[Aclone]

Originally Posted by dustinal

If we were in the South and Baylor was in the North, you could make an argument that we would have the worse record.

Yeah, that works--except for the fact that that whole time we were beating them.

Originally Posted by MontyBurns

He is right. Baylor has a winning all-time record of 518-515 and has won 7 conference titles, the most recent being a tie in 2004.

Baylor Bears football - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2004?

Also, if you're going to include all of Baylor's history, then you have to start considering the likes of SMU and Houston (and Arkansas) as well.

C'mon, all of you. Let's get rid of this freaking loser mentality. Anyone care to guess how many years it was for a basketball conference title before '00, and Fizer and Tinsley? It means nothing.

[everyyard]

Originally Posted by CLONE2THEBONE

I was having a discussion with one of my Nebraska friends over the weekend and he argued that we are the worst team in the history of either conference and it's not even close.

I argued with him for a bit and realized that many of the accomplishments I was touting were individual and not team.

Holy crap. Is he right? I started thinking of the schools we've been historically better than or at least on par with.

Texas--No
Oklahoma--No
Nebraska--No
Colorado--No
OK State--No
A&M--No
Texas Tech--No
Kansas--No
K State--No
Mizzou--No

Baylor---??

He says no and that Baylor won their conference a couple times right before joining the Big 12.

Is he wrong? I'd like to believe that he is, but other than Baylor, I can't see how we're even close to the accomplishments of the teams other than Baylor.

Maybe you've all realized this, but I had never really thought of it this way. It's pretty sobering.

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[CycloneWarrior]

Originally Posted by Bubbahotep

I think the fact that Iowa State hasn't had much success makes us better fans anyway, because we do appreciate the good times more.

darn right, i've had some of the most fun at iowa state games and just hangin out at friends houses watchin the games, who cares if they suck, they're my favorite team and they'll be back and destroying teams soon with chizik at the helm, but basketball may need some help.(hint,hint, Harrison Barnes... darn you committ already, PLEASE!!!!!)
OH, the good times never felt so good!!!!!!!!

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[BvK1126]

Originally Posted by dustinal

I think you mean 1994, and it was a 5-way tie in an eight team conference. Seems like that shouldn't even be possible, but I guess it happened.

And I think if you're talking about the history of the Big 12, you should only talk about what the teams have done since they entered the Big 12, which was in 1996.

The basis for their conference championship that year was the fact that Texas A&M, who went 6-0-1 against conference opponents, was on probation and thus ineligible for the conference title by Southwest Conference rules. Thus, the second-place team was declared conference champion. In this case, 5 teams were tied for second at 4-3 (while Houston and SMU missed brought up the rear of the conference standings at 1-6 an 0-6-1, respectively). Therefore, those 5 teams were all declared conference champions. Wow. That would have been a great year to be a mediocre team in the SWC. Basically all you had to do was stay off of probation and you got yourself a championship trophy.

[ajk4st8]

Yes.... by far we are the worst. Doesn't change how much though.

[isucyfan]

History is bunk.

I'm more concerned with the future, and I think our programs are healthy and headed in the right direction.