All-Big 12 Football Awards

**dualthreat** · 12-02-2008, 09:58 PM

This isn't really a surprise, but when OU is on offense, and in the I formation, this could happen:

All-Big XII QB hands off to All-Big XII RB who has an All Big XII FB, All Big XII TE, and 3 All-Big XII lineman blocking for him!!!

Jeesh

**kucyclone** · 12-02-2008, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by kgreeny

I think AA should have made our h-m list. He played great at the end of the season and put up sick stats.

Only 4 QBs made the 1st/2nd/H-M.

The problem with AA is that the QB position is so stacked in the Big 12 that you could exclude Bradford, McCoy, Harrell, and Daniel, name a whole new 1st team, 2nd team, and two honorable mention QBs, and Arnaud still probably wouldn't make the team.

Robinson, Reesing, Freeman, and Ganz all had better seasons than Arnaud.

It is likely that any of these players would have made at least honorable mention in any other conference in the country, so it's nothing to hang their heads about. The Big 12 just had what will probably be looked back upon as one of, if not the greatest QB conferences of all time.

**flander1649** · 12-03-2008, 12:42 PM

I do like how LJ made HM as both a DB and a KR/PR.

**cycloneG** · 12-03-2008, 12:49 PM

What I can't figure out is how RJ didn't get honorable mention. Saunders from Mizzou got honorable mention but he had fewer yards and fewer touchdowns. The only thing Saunders had more of was wins.

**Bigguns** · 12-03-2008, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by djkent01

This is disturbing. So ISU had 7 players that were considered 3rd best in the conference at their positions. One was a punter - one was OFFENSE - and the other five were DEFENSE.

Given how the units played this year, how can this possibly be? Was the defense closer to Big 12 caliber than the offense was?

The Big 12 was top heavy on O and ISU was not the only D to struggle this year. I don't think our D is any worse than our O. There are 6 or 7 offenses in the Big 12 that are among the top in the NATION. That can't be said about the defense.

**kucyclone** · 12-03-2008, 03:14 PM

The Star’s All-Big 12 football teams - Kansas City Star

**Bigguns** · 12-03-2008, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by kucyclone

Only 4 QBs made the 1st/2nd/H-M.

The problem with AA is that the QB position is so stacked in the Big 12 that you could exclude Bradford, McCoy, Harrell, and Daniel, name a whole new 1st team, 2nd team, and two honorable mention QBs, and Arnaud still probably wouldn't make the team.

Robinson, Reesing, Freeman, and Ganz all had better seasons than Arnaud.

It is likely that any of these players would have made at least honorable mention in any other conference in the country, so it's nothing to hang their heads about. The Big 12 just had what will probably be looked back upon as one of, if not the greatest QB conferences of all time.

That is true but I wouldn't trade Arnaud for Robinson, Reesing, Freeman, Ganz, Daniel or Harrell.

**Bigguns** · 12-03-2008, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by kucyclone

The Star’s All-Big 12 football teams - Kansas City Star

Maclin is both 1st and 2nd team? I don't think I have ever seen that before

**kucyclone** · 12-03-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Bigguns

I wouldn't trade Arnaud for Robinson, Reesing, Freeman, Ganz, Daniel or Harrell.

Probably part of the reason you're not a D-1 football coach.

Originally Posted by Bigguns

Maclin is both 1st and 2nd team? I don't think I have ever seen that before

I think they just did that so they could please the KC readership by getting Dezmon Briscoe (who actually does have more receiving yards and TDs than Maclin) on the 1st team as well.

**joefrog** · 12-03-2008, 10:35 PM

I think there may be 8 future Pro-QB's from the conference this year. Harrell, Bradford, McCoy, Reesing, Daniel, Arnaud, Freeman, and Robinson. Wow, talk about talent.

I think Reesing may just surprise people and be a real steal at the next level. Seems like a smart kid, doesn't get rattled, continues to improve. Reminds me of Flacco at the Ravens. I hope the Vikes get him in the 2nd or 3rd round. I think the guy has a bright future, and I can't stand the Jayhawks.

**kucyclone** · 12-03-2008, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by joefrog

I think there may be 8 future Pro-QB's from the conference this year. Harrell, Bradford, McCoy, Reesing, Daniel, Arnaud, Freeman, and Robinson. Wow, talk about talent.

I think Reesing may just surprise people and be a real steal at the next level. Seems like a smart kid, doesn't get rattled, continues to improve. Reminds me of Flacco at the Ravens. I hope the Vikes get him in the 2nd or 3rd round. I think the guy has a bright future, and I can't stand the Jayhawks.

I doubt Reesing even tries to go to the NFL. He's smart enough to realize that he's a long shot, and from all indications, he'll probably be pretty successful without football in the business world. Talking football now, probably more than half of his completions come when he's rolling out or dancing in the pocket, he rarely goes under center, and he won't have any of the measurables that NFL scouts look for. He's a winner with "intangibles", but he doesn't have the body and arm strength the pros are looking for. Flacco is 6'6". Reesing is 5'10". The only way he sees over KU's line is because they roll him out or he dances around. That's not going to happen with the NFL's pocket-style football with 6'8 Offensive linemen.

**Bigguns** · 12-03-2008, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by kucyclone

Probably part of the reason you're not a D-1 football coach.

Harrell and Daniel are seniors and the other 4 are either not as good or no better than Arnaud. For McCoy and Bradford I would tell AA to start packing.

I think they just did that so they could please the KC readership by getting Dezmon Briscoe (who actually does have more receiving yards and TDs than Maclin) on the 1st team as well.

Good point

**Bigguns** · 12-04-2008, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by kucyclone

I doubt Reesing even tries to go to the NFL. He's smart enough to realize that he's a long shot, and from all indications, he'll probably be pretty successful without football in the business world. Talking football now, probably more than half of his completions come when he's rolling out or dancing in the pocket, he rarely goes under center, and he won't have any of the measurables that NFL scouts look for. He's a winner with "intangibles", but he doesn't have the body and arm strength the pros are looking for. Flacco is 6'6". Reesing is 5'10". The only way he sees over KU's line is because they roll him out or he dances around. That's not going to happen with the NFL's pocket-style football with 6'8 Offensive linemen.

I agree except I'm not sure he is even 5'10". He looks a lot shorter than Daniel who is also a very long shot for the NFL. Both could go to Canada or Arena League though.

**joefrog** · 12-04-2008, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by Bigguns

I agree except I'm not sure he is even 5'10". He looks a lot shorter than Daniel who is also a very long shot for the NFL. Both could go to Canada or Arena League though.

Wow, I didn't notice that. I did see that Chase Daniel was short, like Flutie short. Not good for the next level. I may have to re-think about Reesing then.

**CloneFan65** · 12-04-2008, 12:28 AM

Zac Robinson of Oklahoma State is the 4th rated passer in the country, and didn't even make honorable mention in his own conference. I doubt there's ever been a conference with better QBs than the Big 12 this year.