Gene Chizik - All Bridges Lead Out of Ames

**ISUKyro** · 12-13-2008, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by cyfanatic

I agree with your sentiments! But I put this one on JP! JP hired the coaches to lead and build the MBB and FB programs...neither has been built and leadership seems to be waning! Bad times at ISU...no end in sight!

May as well blame President Georffry(sp?) then too...... I mean he hired JP......
Then lets blame the regents..... they hired the President......

**Aclone** · 12-13-2008, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Angie

Again, cordially - you can think whatever you want, and are allowed to post as much. However, everyone else is just as entitled to their opinion, and don't need to be berated for their thoughts. CycloneFanatic.com does not need anyone acting as the moral voice. This is an open forum where all are allowed to share their thoughts.

Cordially spoken, I'm still missing where I berated anyone for their thoughts. Or attempted to act as a moral voice for Cyclone Fanatic. I have no interest in doing so, never have.

With all due respect, I stated that I was reserving judgement. That's exactly, precisely what I meant. Please don't read anything else into my words.

**Angie** · 12-13-2008, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Aclone

Cordially spoken, I'm still missing where I berated anyone for their thoughts. Or attempted to act as a moral voice for Cyclone Fanatic. I have no interest in doing so, never have.

With all due respect, I stated that I was reserving judgement. That's exactly, precisely what I meant. Please don't read anything else into my words.

And, with all due respect, perhaps one could be forgiven for taking your posts that way if they go through older posts.

**hawkeyescott** · 12-13-2008, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Aclone

Sorry, Jeremy, I can't agree. In this case you are actually burning bridges because Gene appears to be, because most on this site assume that he is.

For one thing, something most are ignoring, despite Gene's policy that recruits not visit other chools, it's also apparent that some have done so--and still signed. The key difference that they asked, and were given permission.

In this case, Gene didn't even ask. Auburn did. And Jamie granted that permission. So with that permission, your parallel to recruits keeping their word fails right there.

I hope that if, in the end you are proven wrong, you are a big enough man to admit it. All of you. As I will be.

So you think Auburn just picked up the phone and called Pollard looking for permission to speak with Chizik. Or do you think maybe Chizik has an agent that contacted Auburn first.

That is how most coaching interviews come about and the one school calling another school for permission is just a formality thing, most interviews (not all) have already been conducted by time a school receives permission. A coaches agent contacts a school to see if that school has interest in said coach and then they set up an interview or have an interview if there is mutal interest, if they can't get a hold of the AD by time of said interview then the permission thing happens after the interview.

If you don't think Chizik's agent contacted Auburn before they contacted him then wow.

**bellzisu** · 12-13-2008, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by ISUKyro

May as well blame President Georffry(sp?) then too...... I mean he hired JP......
Then lets blame the regents..... they hired the President......

I blame the Hawkeyes.... Think about it... If we blame the regents... Aren't most of them Hawkeye fans??/

**ISUKyro** · 12-13-2008, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by bellzisu

I blame the Hawkeyes.... Thing about it... If we blame the regents... Aren't most of them Hawkeye fans??/

hmmmm, I really like this train of thought. I'm with you.

**** YOU Hawkeys!! It's all your fault!!

**CYKOFAN** · 12-13-2008, 11:49 AM

candg4ever- I agree with some of your comments, but not about the ISU fan base, and I was under the impression Gene Smith left to get to a more metro area for his personal interests. I could be wrong about this, but I thought I heard that we drew nearly as many fans per game as Oky State (a highly ranked team) but even if that's wrong I think ISU fans are extremely patient and extremely loyal as long as we feel the coach is loyal to ISU. Sure coaches leave for bigger programs but not before getting the job done that they are being paid millions of dollars to do. Gene seems to be giving up pretty quickly on our program, and I would say the rumors of his complaining to other coaches about coming here may be true. Fact is, Gene was unproven as a head coach and was a risky hire in the first place, especially compared to a proven head coach like Brian Kelly. We gave him his opportunity and millions of dollars, and if he wants to leave that's fine with me. He's done nothing in his first two years to show me he has the overall coaching ability to get the job done anyway.

**Aclone** · 12-13-2008, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by hawkeyescott

So you think Auburn just picked up the phone and called Pollard looking for permission to speak with Chizik. Or do you think maybe Chizik has an agent that contacted Auburn first.

No, I think exactly what I said. That Chizik, by contract, isn't allowed to ask for permission to talk to someone. That has to come from outside.

I really hate when people read more into my words than is there. Or, than they know to be there. Why would you think that Chizik (or his agent) had to have called up Auburn? As if they were incapable of coming up with the idea themselves? If you don't know, I don't think you can assume the reverse to be the case.

**jbhtexas** · 12-13-2008, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by hawkeyescott

So you think Auburn just picked up the phone and called Pollard looking for permission to speak with Chizik. Or do you think maybe Chizik has an agent that contacted Auburn first.

That is how most coaching interviews come about and the one school calling another school for permission is just a formality thing, most interviews (not all) have already been conducted by time a school receives permission. A coaches agent contacts a school to see if that school has interest in said coach and then they set up an interview or have an interview if there is mutal interest, if they can't get a hold of the AD by time of said interview then the permission thing happens after the interview.

If you don't think Chizik's agent contacted Auburn before they contacted him then wow.

So do you think Chizik's agent contacted ISU two years ago?

**Angie** · 12-13-2008, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Aclone

No, I think exactly what I said. That Chizik, by contract, isn't allowed to ask for permission to talk to someone. That has to come from outside.

I really hate when people read more into my words than is there. Or, than they know to be there. Why would you think that Chizik (or his agent) had to have called up Auburn? As if they were incapable of coming up with the idea themselves? If you don't know, don't assume the reverse to be the case.

And if you don't know, don't tell people what to believe. This is the point of my earlier post.

**SamsB** · 12-13-2008, 11:55 AM

Perfect description that is going around all the message boards.

**kingcy** · 12-13-2008, 11:55 AM

This whole situation has been poorly handled. Yes coachs interview for other jobs but most if the time it is kept quite. When I interviewed for jobs I sure didnt tell my boss I was looking elsewhere. We have not heard anything of of Chizik about this. Pollard has spoken meaning he is probly leaving. ADs dont call other ADs to ask persmission, they call to tell them they are going to hire their coach, ask them what needs to be done to get the coach out of his contract. All the other so called hires in the Auburn smashed the rumors fast. Chizik hasnt done that, infact his boss has said he is a likly canadate. JP is also in spin mode on this and not talking to the media. Guys and gals he is as good as gone IMO, the coaching search started yesterday afternoon. This isnt the first thing Chizik has miss handled and wont be the last. Lets hope this time in the coaching search both parties know what they are getting into.

**Kyle** · 12-13-2008, 11:55 AM

Do we really need a separate thread for this?

**CycloneWanderer** · 12-13-2008, 11:57 AM

At least with Pollard being a business man we can hope for a good deal for Chizik.

**cyman1189** · 12-13-2008, 12:00 PM

Phillip Bates

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Gene Chizik

after sitting here for hours and not even posting about this subject due to the lack of anything to say... I finally found the perfect way to sum up how i feel.