I have high hopes for GMac too but honestly I've never seen an ISU team give up so many lay-ups as the other night in Iowa City.
So hiring Gene Chizik was a bad thing by JP? It increased season tickets and added dollars for each ticket. No matter how bad Chizik treated ISU, his hire excited us to raise the budget $20M. That money is used to improve facilities so that future athletes want to come here, fans want to return, etc. So, yeah, money doesn't create wins immediately, but it does attract the coaches and recruits that do create wins.
Let's examine the Chizik hire by Pollard. He was the Turner Gill type of hire then, and he is now running one of the top football programs in the nation. So, did they hire him because JP was right and he was flat out a coach and CEO for football? Time will tell. If he was, then I think JP was probably right about hiring him. The program was showing improvement, and the right coach coming in can build from that. I'm sure you will point out that our team looked like it was going the wrong way, but that coach did fire 2 coaches and demote 2 others. He felt he knew what to do, and they were to blame for not recognizing the wins against Iowa, Kansas, Vegas, etc.
McD was a great choice at the time, and he will probably prove to all of us that he is the coach to make ISU a consistent winner. Time will tell.
Cael was a great hire.
Christy Johnson was a great hire.
Keeping Bill Fennely was a great job.
Who would you want as AD? BVD? Great with math, terrible with people. Gene Smith? Great with people, terrible with numbers. Max Ulrich, it seems to me that he was awful, although he went to Kansas State.
I'm not sure what you think it helps to tell all of us how bad everything is here. Personally I think that it would be better to say everything is wonderful so that the players that are contemplating leaving realize that they should stay here, or that potential recruits know why we still fill the stadium with a 2-10 team, or that coaches know that we will back them until they screw us.
JP does a great job of motivating people. He organizes and runs a great business. He understands problems and lays out plans that we can all recognize to achieve what we all want. He does a great job communicating in person, over conferences and if you have ever sent him an e-mail I bet he responded. If you can't tell that JP wants ISU to succeed you are nuts. What do you want from an AD? Wins only? Yeah, I do as well, but from what I can tell he has hired the coaches that should be able to win. Why haven't they? That's the question.
Of course that's just me, I'm sure you think I'm an idiot.
I like what Pollard has done a lot since he's been here. Not saying I won't change my mind at some point in the future if wins don't eventually come. The Chizik situation stinks, but I think (and hope) JP will learn from it.
Just got back from a final and realized that a few people I know are right, there are a lot of things you can fix, but stupid isn't one of 'em as displayed by some posts in this thread.
I didn't bother reading through the whole thread because I'm sure it's largely people saying the same thing that I'm going to repeat, but you're idiocy made me want to respond, so apologies to anyone reading this that has seen the same points 500 times already.
You're right Pollard has ruined Iowa State athletics point and case::no:
He fired both our successful basketball and football coaches. They were quickly gobbled up by the best programs in the nation as evidenced by Wayne Morgan owning a carwash or whatever he's doing, and Dan McCarney coaching the line at Florida!!! I mean it's incredibly clear that these guys three years later were amazing as evidenced by the demand for these guys from more than a hundred different colleges at that level and everyone that actually knows anything about college athletics jumped on the opportunity to hire them to run their programs. Seriously there have been countless jobs available in head coaching positions since 3 years ago and they haven't been hired for any. McCarney can't even get a job in the MAC let alone a BCS conference as a head coach. I do agree McCarney is a hell of a line coach, but he wasn't head coaching material.
Here's where he went right:
He hired a legend as the wrestling coach who has put us in the top 2 in the nation each of the last 3 years I believe.
He extended Bill's contract to a life contract and he has had us rated as recently as this year, and took us to the dance last year.
He has hired and kept a volleyball coach who has given us a sweet 16 and elite 8 appearance in the last two years.
He has done about 20 million dollars worth of upgrades to our football stadium which desperately needed it.
He has taken our basketball teams from practicing in an unairconditioned building built around the turn of the 20th century to soon be practicing in an off campus brand new basketball only practice facility with offices, video room lounges and two full gymnasiums.
He has increased the number of season ticket sales for football to record levels while still able to raise prices up to a level that can help us compete financially with a conference that was dominating our resources financially.
Monty go back to your fictional animated existence and eat my shorts.
Interesting post about our AD's. Max Urick was not a real good AD. Always took the safe route and actually let our football program really slide. Gene Smith was really good. He brought in Mac and we started making progress. But then Gene left for better jobs. Next we had BVD. Another guy who just existed and played it really safe. He didn't increase the budget for McCarney to keep assistants or get top notch assistants. As a result our football program went downhill. Pollard came and had a vision. But Mac took a lot of chances to get talent that didn't qualify. As a result we were left with a real talent gap. The Marty Fine hiring was a complete disaster. And the Berryman fiasco was a disaster as well. Matt Robertson loss was big too. We were a program that was merely existing and not really a threat to get top notch talent. Mac had to go. Pollard hired Chizik. In hindsight he should have taken Brian Kelley.
I really wanted Gill. I don't think we get Patterson as he turned down Minnesota, a new stadium and big bucks. Or the Boise State coach. A worst case scenario, I see us getting Paul Rhoads. Maybe the Rice coach Bailliff. I don't like what Graham did to Rice when he left for Tulsa.
My sense is Monty wants results. A number of fans are happy with "the vision". I don't see how Monty's dissatisfaction with poor results means he is not a true Cyclone fan. When we applaud J.P. for not firing the WBB coach, I think we are glossing over some valid points by Monty. If you prefer passion over results, that is fine. I simply don't see how resorting to name calling because someone prefers results to passion is sensible. When we start to argue that losing is acceptable as a measure of support for Jamie, I suspect even Jamie would be ashamed.
For some reason I find it necessary to procrastinate on this project that's due in 12 hours, so I just read this thread.
This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on CF. Seriously.
That's all I'm going to say. I'm sure some of you will insist on continuing this utterly ridiculous topic, so I won't even try and persuade you otherwise. Have fun dragging everyone else's IQ down to the ground floor to join yours.
If we are to blame the man who created this mess we would have to blame Cyclone fans for not stepping up to the plate before JP got here. Crappy donations, crappy attendance for FB, ******** about ticket prices and ******** about parking. ISU fans have had a reduced price for admission for a very long time. it is about time we pony up.
Hadn't JP agreed to extend Chizik's contract another two years just before Chizik bolted? Isn't this another example of a poor JP decision?
Chizik may have betrayed Chizik, but I don't see that JP has been making good coaching decisions.
Let me sum up what Monty said..........the captain is responsible for his crew.