If Cael can finish 3rd in the nation at Penn State he will be deity there. If he finishes 3rd in the nation at ISU everyone says "why didn't we finish 1st?"
I know Fennelly has been offered jobs and have turned them down, but I don't think Johnny or McCarney turned down better job offers. I could be wrong, however. Could you provide some details concerning what job offers Johnny and McCarney turned down?
Johnny, I think, came to ISU to retire. I think when he came he said this was his last coaching stop.
On that note, can you imagine ANY athletic director telling Johnny Orr what to do?:biggrin:
1) It puts a reasonable challenge out there to see these programs grow.
2) It creates hope, because somebody has been able to do it, and in a place with a whole lot of competition!
Seriously, this is fascinating, and I think your idea of a field trip to Winston-Salem to compare notes is a great idea! Thanks for this post!:yes::yes::yes: (i'm out of rep, or I'd do that, too.)
Furthermore, Winston-Salem is well positioned to pull talented athletes from all over the South and the East coast. Of course, it also doesn't hurt to have two of the best players in the NBA as alums (Duncan, CP3).
The bottom line is that you're comparing apples to oranges. IMO, the schools that make the best comparisons to ISU in location / conference affiliation are the Kansas schools and places like Oregon State.
Facitlities, money is what I think is the reason. Better facilities makes your recruiting battle that much easier and when you have money to back it up well then it is a go isn't it. Now winning a national title at PSU easier than ISU I question that statement. Once again Iowa State is behind due to facilities and money, the Big eleven is a richier conference than the big twelve so more money gets thrown around. Hands down we need to win in our two big programs, we do not do that then this trend will ALWAYS continue. Winning equals more money for your athletics programs period.
Do you work for the Athletic Dept? Tell me WHY Pollard deserves any defending whatsoever. He has failed miserably at what he's being paid for.
It was too long ago to recall any rumors regarding Johnny Orr. But the point is, once he turned the program around at ISU he could have thrown his hat in the ring and been a candidate for other jobs. If it was all about money for him, he would have (even if he just used the public threat of leaving to get more $$$ from ISU). But it isn't all about money for everyone. Johnny was where he wanted to be.
I never heard about the Michigan State head coaching job and McCarney, but I won't dispute you.
And with Orr, he had a pretty good-sized ego as well -- not in a bad way mind you. Money was, and still is, important to him. But he also liked the fact he was revered by so many Cyclone fans.
I've never even met PR but I know a few people who do. With that being said, are there a lot of fans that are drinking the Cyclone kool-aid when it comes to PR? I've heard that he's the type of person that would leave in a heartbeat for a better job.
I know I'm going to get killed for this statement but for those that REALLY know the guy, do you think this is true?