Just a quick comment on stars. Aaron Curry was a 2 star and had only two D1 offers. The coaches evaluaions are much more important than star ratings.
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Just a quick comment on stars. Aaron Curry was a 2 star and had only two D1 offers. The coaches evaluaions are much more important than star ratings.
It is crazy how much star ratings are NOT about how good the player is.
Apparently that OLineman from Baylor was a 2-star too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wallacelantz
You can be good getting 2 and 3 star players but you can't be great.
Name a team that has won the championship the last 20 years that wasn't build around 5 stars. There are only a handful of schools that have even won BCS bowl games that don't get 5 stars. Kansas won 1, Boise won 1, Utah has won 2.
I am sure there are some more but that is all I can think of all the top of my head
These very good programs rarely sign top 20 classes........West Va,Va Tech, Wisco, Iowa and Boston College off the top of my head. Ga Tech, CU (decent classes not top 15) Nebbie (same as CU) and even PSU have never been the recruiting elite yet have won NC's.
The aforementioned are also (with the exception of West Va) well over 20 plus NFL alumni, and pretty talented year to year. So I have a very hard time thinking you "can't" win big regularly with lessor ranked classes. Honestly the ranking system for the top 25 teams is so political and skewed to the usual suspects, that it, in and off itself is as big a reason as any that the rich stay in NC contention till the end. Utah was very good last year, yet they didn't get a chance. Now you can debate all you want they weren't in UF & OU's league, but they crushed Bama with "defense" and it would have been a good game.
Until the same 15 teams are forced to drop at least 10 places after their 1st loss and even farther after their second, then yes it will be tough for the other very good teams to compete for NC‘s.
When a 2 loss LSU (who lost to a very average 7-5 Arkansas & Kentucky) can win a NC then you’ll never convince me there weren’t several teams on any given day that could have beat them in an NC game.
Watch the polls close, when Georgia, Florida OU etc, etc, etc…………….lose a game they drop 6 or 7 places or so. Sometimes less if the pollsters deem it a good enuff opponent. Last year Georgia was number 3 and got humiliated by Bama yet dropped to 11th in week 5. They continued to hover around 8-10 until a week 10 beat down by UF that dropped them to 14th ?!?!?! Are you serious?! Fix this and you’ll have a fairer chance for “others” to win. That same Georgia got ran all over by Ga Tech, and then beat a MSU team that you guys told us was terrible in an uninspiring game that was even closer than I thought it would be. The Bulldogs finished in the top 13?.…………Now I like Georgia and Mark Richt, but color me skeptical.
Also for you ISU & Iowa fans that think you need 4 stars kids to win big, you better get used to losing. Our two teams will never sign consistent top 15 classes. And yes I am a optimist. I just know it won’t happen but we can still win a lot regardless
Chad
I''m just disappointed because i recently looked at espn's big 12 recruitment lists and teams like texas and such have like 10 espn top 150 players commited already and we dont even have one guy. Every other big 12 team has at least one guy and over half of them have at least 5 or more guys by now. Just disappointing thus far but this is not to say that i dont have faith in rhoads. I think hes the right guy for the job, i just want to have a reason to get excited for the next couple seasons
I think we have to understand, at this point, that ISU is in the bottom 2 or 3 teams in the mythical pecking order to get Big 12 recruits. With this staff, until the team hits the field and shows some progress, there's not much our staff can sell to recruits that other teams can't match.
Recruits will come. The staff was, with good reason, more focused on spring practice during the last month. Now that practice is over, they can spend more time on player evaluations and recruiting.
Also, commitments (to me, at least) seem to come in waves. The first one always seems to take a while, but once the staff gets the first one, a few more might come within a week or two.
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Originally Posted by rhillary
Who in the heck wanted to go to Iowa when they went through 19 straight losing seasons and Iowa was considered one of the worst football programs in the nation?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeSchmick
Success starts with small steps.
rhillary makes a great point.
What's the highest recruit "ranking" ISU has had (in the time that recruits have been starred)? How about Iowa? I seem to remember that both teams hover in the 50-70 range (with ISU not cracking the top 60, IRRC.) Just curious, not on a "stars ain't everything" rant...
I don't expect to see a sudden improvement in the recruiting situation. If we do well in the preseason games and maybe pull off a conference upset, it will generate a little interest amoung theTexas/Oklahoma/Florida rejects, or kids that simply don't care to go there and want a real challange. Rhoad's first season will be increadibly important in this respect. If we have another 2 or 3 win season, any interest generated by the staff change will quickly disappear. It will be interesting to watch the camps. Dan Mac used to pick up some of his best recruits from the camps. Don't recall this happening under Cheezedick.
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Originally Posted by d30fan
while the cheez was a weasel...I think you will find the talent he recruited superior to any of DMac's kids when all said and done.
I wouldn't disagree with you on this, my point was that Mac usually got his first 4 or 5 commits from the camps he ran. Cheez only had one summer of camps, so I guess it would have been hard to attract good kids to them with no track record. I am hoping that the quality staff that we have now will attract more quality to the camps. Anyone know what they have scheduled?Quote:
Originally Posted by Palmer
Not to get back into the "this coach recruited better than that coach" debate, I always felt DMac took bigger risks on kids panning out, staying out of trouble, or showing up at all. Like 2004: Patrick, Gunn, Coleman, and Thompson - 2 were no shows (not 100% sure on that, but assume so...) and 2 got into trouble and were gone. Those were 4 of the top guys from that class, rankings-wise...
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Originally Posted by d30fan
agree
Patrick was the only one who didn't enroll. You might have included Gunn - he had some injuries, but he likely would not have made much of an impact even without them.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunar