First Commit for 2010

[jaretac]

It looks like he should be able to figure out the spread offense.
YouTube - Jared Barnett #7 QB Jr. Season Garland HS Garland, TX.

YouTube - Jared Barnett Garland HS #7 QB JR Season Part 2

I wonder if we can get our hands on that receiver as well, he made Barnett look good too many times. He kept catching deep balls in double and sometimes triple coverage and would still run them all the way for a touchdown.

[djcubby]

I wonder if we can get our hands on that receiver as well, he made Barnett look good too many times. He kept catching deep balls in double and sometimes triple coverage and would still run them all the way for a touchdown.

I don't know if it's the same guy in the videos, but we signed Keith Blanton, a WR from Garland for 2009.

[delt4cy]

Since we're off topic I'm going to attempt to quantify this argument from a pure population perspective. If it doesn't make any sense then oh well, I tried.

I'm going to compare the number of D1 programs in Iowa to the number of "comprable" D1 programs in Texas to justify why it is absolutely necessary to recruit "out of state".

Iowa: Programs:

ISU 85 scholarship players
Iowa 85 scholarship player
Total = 170
(*guess 25 avg class/yr * 2 = 50 in-state players/yr)

Iowa Population of male 15-19 yr olds 111,172/5 = 22,234 per grade.

This means that in order to produce an all-Iowa D1 class; 50/22,234 = 445: 1 out of every 445, seniors would have to be D1 caliber. (Think about that)

Texas: "Comparable" Programs: (kids would choose over ISU to narrow pool size) Common sense: Texas pop. is large, but they also have more D1 programs to pick from.

Texas
A&M
Tech
Baylor
TCU = 85*5=425 scholarship players at or above ISU level.

25 avg. recruiting class * 5 = 125 seniors/yr.

Texas males 15-19= 811,456/5 = 162,291/grade.

In order to produce a comp. team for the 5 comp. schools in Texas, they have their pick from 1 out of every 1,298 kids.

Iowa: 1 of 445 kids would need to be D1 caliber.
Texas: 1 of 1,298 kids would need to be D1 caliber.

See the disparity. This shows two things IMO.

1. If we're trying to talk Apples to Apples, two comparable teams of in-state recruits Texas to Iowa would be like Valley HS playing Adel HS. Valley is statistically going to have more D1 athletes. Therefore, Iowa doesn't have as good of chance even if you take plain population figures out (that's why I compared 5 comp. Texas schools vs. 2 comp. Iowa schools)

2. For Texas specifically, this shows that there is an almost 3 times larger population base of potential D1 athletes to pick from than there are in Iowa. (When taking into account a pool of 125 needed D1 players for the 5 Texas programs)
Due to a per/student disparity we need to take advantage as much as possible and recruit Texas, as this example indicates.

This doesn't take into account talent, resources, etc., etc., just purely population figures. It also doesn't take into account the # of outside Texas programs preying on Texas athletes. (but I think that is an effect of the pop. figure) The logic is certainly flawed in a few areas but I think it's an interesting way to look at it.

Hopefully some of you can make some sense of that.

[CycoCyclone]

Since we're off topic I'm going to attempt to quantify this argument from a pure population perspective. If it doesn't make any sense then oh well, I tried.

I'm going to compare the number of D1 programs in Iowa to the number of "comprable" D1 programs in Texas to justify why it is absolutely necessary to recruit "out of state".

Iowa: Programs:

ISU 85 scholarship players
Iowa 85 scholarship player
Total = 170
(*guess 25 avg class/yr * 2 = 50 in-state players/yr)

Iowa Population of male 15-19 yr olds 111,172/5 = 22,234 per grade.

This means that in order to produce an all-Iowa D1 class; 50/22,234 = 445: 1 out of every 445, seniors would have to be D1 caliber. (Think about that)

Texas: "Comparable" Programs: (kids would choose over ISU to narrow pool size) Common sense: Texas pop. is large, but they also have more D1 programs to pick from.

Texas
A&M
Tech
Baylor
TCU = 85*5=425 scholarship players at or above ISU level.

25 avg. recruiting class * 5 = 125 seniors/yr.

Texas males 15-19= 811,456/5 = 162,291/grade.

In order to produce a comp. team for the 5 comp. schools in Texas, they have their pick from 1 out of every 1,298 kids.

Iowa: 1 of 445 kids would need to be D1 caliber.
Texas: 1 of 1,298 kids would need to be D1 caliber.

See the disparity. This shows two things IMO.

1. If we're trying to talk Apples to Apples, two comparable teams of in-state recruits Texas to Iowa would be like Valley HS playing Adel HS. Valley is statistically going to have more D1 athletes. Therefore, Iowa doesn't have as good of chance even if you take plain population figures out (that's why I compared 5 comp. Texas schools vs. 2 comp. Iowa schools)

2. For Texas specifically, this shows that there is an almost 3 times larger population base of potential D1 athletes to pick from than there are in Iowa. (When taking into account a pool of 125 needed D1 players for the 5 Texas programs)
Due to a per/student disparity we need to take advantage as much as possible and recruit Texas, as this example indicates.

This doesn't take into account talent, resources, etc., etc., just purely population figures. It also doesn't take into account the # of outside Texas programs preying on Texas athletes. (but I think that is an effect of the pop. figure) The logic is certainly flawed in a few areas but I think it's an interesting way to look at it.

Hopefully some of you can make some sense of that.

Awesome

[cjclone]

I heard the statistic a while back that the state of Iowa has the second highest number of NFL players per capita in the country. Can't give that to you. It is all a numbers game. Iowa high school programs do compete with Texas in that respect. It is just that the total numbers are not comparable.

[johnsonjj]

I heard the statistic a while back that the state of Iowa has the second highest number of NFL players per capita in the country. Can't give that to you. It is all a numbers game. Iowa high school programs do compete with Texas in that respect. It is just that the total numbers are not comparable.

Unfortunately, or fortunately, ISU is playing DIV 1 college ball and not NFL!

[AntiSnob]

You also don't see Iowa high schools running the advanced spread offenses like they do in Texas.

spread offenses are just another fad. The pro-style offense is here to stay.

[kucyclone]

spread offenses are just another fad. The pro-style offense is here to stay.

These CD and MP3 players are also just a fad. That's why I'm holding on to my cassette tapes.

[johnsonjj]

These CD and MP3 players are also just a fad. That's why I'm holding on to my cassette tapes.

What, no 8-tracks or vinyls?

[hoosman]

You also don't see Iowa high schools running the advanced spread offenses like they do in Texas. The benefit of Barnett having that experience already will be awesome. I am really looking forward to see what he can do!

I attended a freshman FB game last year. Muscatine ran the no-huddle spread and they weren't bad. I'm hoping that more high schools in Iowa will adopt this offense since ISU has made the change. Maybe this would help our in-state recruiting and evaluation.

[BigM]

i know that besides lincoln and ottumwa who run power I every team in the ciml metro runs the no huddle spread at least 70% of the time

[mikeiastat]

The population perspective arguement also breaks down because there are a number of schools in texas that would take recruits that we would be happy to have. Other D-1 schools like UTEP, Houston, Rice North Texas and SMU, all at the very least compete with ISU for similar recruits. Even IF they aren't (and I'm not saying they are or aren't) on Par with ISU for recruiting, they are Div I FBS, and recruit Div I tallent at the very least at a success level not vastly different from ISU.

Then if you really want to talk Div. I tallent. there are 5 more FBS teams to Iowa's 2. So the ratio numbers don't quite add up to quite the drastic discrepancy that the previous post states.

That being said, there are just flat out more people to play football and competition "breeds" quality. For whatever reason, there seems to be more tallent, especially in the speed and explosiveness areas from texas, and other southern states.

[CrossCyed]

Some of the best athletes in Iowa may not necessarily choose football as their "sport" as well.

[mikeiastat]

Was thinking that too. Think you might get beat up in Texas if you play soccer. Are you even allowed to say no to football in texas?

[cycloneman003]

i know that besides lincoln and ottumwa who run power I every team in the ciml metro runs the no huddle spread at least 70% of the time

the only team i can think of that runs a real spread is marshalltown. other than that, all the good teams still get under center a lot. waukee and valley both started running some option runs out of shotgun. kind of like a wildcat formation, but were both under center well over 50% of the time. ankey still runs the misdirection. SEP still lines up in the I and runs in down your throat. ames runs a system thats pretty similar to a pro-style. they pass a fair amount, but not from shotgun. Mason City is weird because this year they started running their offense out of the pistol. tons of option runs out of that formation.

thats just a few teams there.