debunking the south faster than north myth

**cmhawks99** · 06-29-2009, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by anticyclonic

Where is Bourbonnais?

About an hour South of down town Chicago and the summer home of the Chicago Bears. Bradley, Bourbonnais, Kankakee is one big Tri-city. Kankakee Junior College has played Indian Hills & Southeastern both before if memory serves and has a pretty good B-ball team from time to time. In fact didn't ISU have a kid from there a couple years back?

Chad

**Bubbahotep** · 06-29-2009, 04:22 AM

Does any of this really matter? Billy Mays is dead!

**Cyclonestate78** · 06-29-2009, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by cmhawks99

I went to live my life..........................I'm back to blow you out of the water.

Chad

It takes one word to describe your efforts on CF to prove the Big 10's greatness.....

FAIL!!

**TheGovernator** · 06-29-2009, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by Cyclonestate78

It takes one word to describe your efforts on CF to prove the Big 10's greatness.....

FAIL!!

...and it takes two words to try and describe your insult towards what he's been saying all along: Epic fail.

Nowhere in his posts has he said the Big Ten is great. He's simply saying that the whole lack of speed is a complete fallacy. Not to mention he is bringing up facts to back him up.

You, on the other hand, are trying to do some lame hit and run.

**Bubbahotep** · 06-29-2009, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by TheGovernator

...and it takes two words to try and describe your insult towards what he's been saying all along: Epic fail.

Nowhere in his posts has he said the Big Ten is great. He's simply saying that the whole lack of speed is a complete fallacy. Not to mention he is bringing up facts to back him up.

You, on the other hand, are trying to do some lame hit and run.

This thread is an epic fail

**Clark** · 06-30-2009, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by jaretac

So I said before that the Big 10 is likely third, I said that the Big 10 is down compared to where they have been at past times, I said that the Big 10 will likely make a comeback at some point, I even said that issue wasn't with speed but with overall talent. So what issue do you have with my posts?

If the Big 10 is third, that means that there is a combination of better coaching/talent in the other two conferences. I'm sorry but coughing it up to "life" doesn't cut it. You are reluctantly admitting that the coaching in the Big 12/SEC might be a little better, but then you herald praises on coaches like Kirk. (I also think it is funny that hawk fans admit that Kick does more with less and then try to say that the Big 10 has better talent.)

If the Big 10 really has such good talent, with the money that the Big 10 has, why aren't they hiring better coaches? On average the SEC teams won almost a full game more than Big 10 teams last year. I don't buy it, the talent level in the SEC is superior.

Also think about this. Just 4 years ago the Big 10 was much more competitive, we aren't going to see the influence that Big 10 being down is going to have on draft choices until this year at the earliest, just like we a good stretch for the Big 10 will show up in the following years in the draft.

It probably is the coaches. Just take a look at the number of coaches in the SEC with national titles (one less now that Fulmer was forced out).

Also, recently the best of the SEC has been better than the best of the Big 10. There hasn't been much difference between the middle teams in either conference.

QB play has killed the Big 10. 4 years ago the league had a lot of talent at that spot. The last few years...not so much. QB play is the meal ticket for most college football teams. You don't usually see teams without good/great QB's playing in BCS games, let alone winning them.

**cmhawks99** · 06-30-2009, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Clark

It probably is the coaches. Just take a look at the number of coaches in the SEC with national titles (one less now that Fulmer was forced out).

Also, recently the best of the SEC has been better than the best of the Big 10. There hasn't been much difference between the middle teams in either conference.

QB play has killed the Big 10. 4 years ago the league had a lot of talent at that spot. The last few years...not so much. QB play is the meal ticket for most college football teams. You don't usually see teams without good/great QB's playing in BCS games, let alone winning them.

Good comments and I agree................

Chad

**AntiSnob** · 06-30-2009, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Clark

QB play has killed the Big 10. 4 years ago the league had a lot of talent at that spot. The last few years...not so much. QB play is the meal ticket for most college football teams. You don't usually see teams without good/great QB's playing in BCS games, let alone winning them.

in my opinion, a QB's role in an offense is a caretaker, but at the same time someone to be relied upon when needed.

**Clark** · 06-30-2009, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by AntiSnob

in my opinion, a QB's role in an offense is a caretaker, but at the same time someone to be relied upon when needed.

That's certainly one way to do it. Tim Tebow and Vince Young would disagree with you however.

**cmhawks99** · 06-30-2009, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by AntiSnob

in my opinion, a QB's role in an offense is a caretaker, but at the same time someone to be relied upon when needed.

Well that's a lot right there if you think about it. A “care taker” is someone who wont lose a game for you with costly TO’s & poor play audibles and will be able to keep the chains moving.

Then you add in someone you can count on when needed and that right there is an Iowa QB and we haven't had one every year. Nor have most teams it seems.

Chad

**Clones85'** · 06-30-2009, 05:26 PM

There is no question that the Big 10's recent struggles have been due to poor QB play. I argued that with Chad all of last season

**AntiSnob** · 06-30-2009, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Clark

That's certainly one way to do it. Tim Tebow and Vince Young would disagree with you however.

true, but the problem with those types of offenses is that if he gets injured, you're screwed. Look at Oregon when they had Dixon. When he was there, they were world beaters. When he got injured, they couldn't recover the rest of the season.

**cmhawks99** · 06-30-2009, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

There is no question that the Big 10's recent struggles have been due to poor QB play. I argued that with Chad all of last season

R U serious or is that your way of making a peaceful joke. At least 5 times in one thread you queried me if it wasn’t talent and it wasn’t coaching than what? I ignore you the 1st couple but then I have repeatedly told you since then that the QB play was awful.

I think your confused with when you told me Graham Harrell was a top 100 player and I told you he likely wouldn’t be drafted. I’d love to have a contest with you on this kind of stuff if a person could figure out how to structure it.

If you are just funnin’ me I do apologize

Chad

**jaretac** · 06-30-2009, 09:10 PM

I don't understand though how poor QB play is not talent? If the Big 10 is weak at QB in talent, then the reason for the Big 10's recent issues is talent.

**Clones85'** · 06-30-2009, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by cmhawks99

R U serious or is that your way of making a peaceful joke. At least 5 times in one thread you queried me if it wasn’t talent and it wasn’t coaching than what? I ignore you the 1st couple but then I have repeatedly told you since then that the QB play was awful.

I think your confused with when you told me Graham Harrell was a top 100 player and I told you he likely wouldn’t be drafted. I’d love to have a contest with you on this kind of stuff if a person could figure out how to structure it.

If you are just funnin’ me I do apologize

Chad

Not joking! Chad you have a very selective memory or perhaps you are forgetful.

Either way go back at last years threads and then come back and talk to me. I said the #1 difference b/w the Big 10 and Big 12 was QB play. The Big 12 had it and the Big 10 didn't. The Big 12 had 8 QB's better than the best QB in the Big 10