New names on Roster???

**Aclone** · 08-08-2009, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by Bipolarcy

I think both the jucos are walkons, but could be wrong about the CB since he signed an LOI. However, there are numerous examples over the years of jucos who walked on and there was never an announcement from the athletic department, unlike with late-signing jucos.

Well, if you remember a year ago, both Kennard Banks and Hayworth Hicks signed late, and the only reason we were certain about Hayworth was that his dad came on here pleased as punch that his Road Grader was going to be a Cyclone. As a matter of fact, despite beon reported on the pay siites, some of us were still scrabbling for confirnmation of Banks as the summer passed, and heaved a sigh of relief when the (former) DC mentioned him at a Cyclone Club outing.

In any case, with LOI not binding after a certain date, I can see there being no official announcement on these two until after classes started, and they are "officially" Cyclones. Like the two linebackers, who I believe were both enrolled in Summer school. As mentioned above, two schollies did open late, so I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see that either of these players is actually on scholarship.

**CYVADER** · 08-08-2009, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Aclone

As mentioned above, two schollies did open late, so I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see that either of these players is actually on scholarship.

probably a stupid question, but who had the schollies that were recently freed up?

**ajk4st8** · 08-08-2009, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by ISU BET

probably a stupid question, but who had the schollies that were recently freed up?

Probably the two JUCOs that didnt make it.

**CYVADER** · 08-08-2009, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by ajk4st8

Probably the two JUCOs that didnt make it.

derp. that was a stupid question. martin and bellamy. also, jackson and mims schollies would be available as well i assume since they are reportedly going to juco?

**dualthreat** · 08-08-2009, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Aclone

As I asked before (apologies if you already answerd), how do you know he's a wlkon? I haven't seen anything offtcial.

And tackling can be taught. Speed, size and atheticism cannot.

how many times do i have to call you out on this? Those things can be improved upon immensely, just like tackling.

It would be like a coach only recruiting strong kids because he has no idea how to make them stronger...

**Cyrocks** · 08-08-2009, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by ISU_Alum_2000

It looks like Watts runs really well, and does not give up on plays. He tackles with his arms, though. The coaches will clean that up, hopefully.

Good catch. I noticed that as well. Tackled high to drag the runners down.

However, I'm glad he is on our side.

**arganbright2** · 08-08-2009, 01:33 PM

Why does everybody have concern for our DE's??? I realize there isn't a whole lot of depth but I figure we could get by with a 3/4 man rotation of Maggitt, Lyle, Parker, and Laing.

**swarthmoreCY** · 08-08-2009, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by arganbright2

Why does everybody have concern for our DE's??? I realize there isn't a whole lot of depth but I figure we could get by with a 3/4 man rotation of Maggitt, Lyle, Parker, and Laing.

Is there a proven difference maker in that group?

**arganbright2** · 08-08-2009, 02:05 PM

Do we have any playmakers on our defense???

Lyle was solid last year and seeing him around, it looks like he has added a few pounds of muscle. Parker has always had spurts where he plays well and Maggitt was the star of the spring game by far. If anybody else could step up with those three guys at DE, we should be alright I think.

**swarthmoreCY** · 08-08-2009, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by arganbright2

Do we have any playmakers on our defense???

Exactly. Is there a position we should not be concerned about? Certainly not DE. Maybe CB, which has LJ.

**Aclone** · 08-08-2009, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by dualthreat

how many times do i have to call you out on this? Those things can be improved upon immensely, just like tackling.

It would be like a coach only recruiting strong kids because he has no idea how to make them stronger...

And that's why Jesse Smith is now 6'3" and runs a 4.5 40?

Let's get real. Improvement can be made, but it's usually marginal. And improving already fast kids actually keeps them ahead of slower kids, because they were already ahead of the curve.

**swarthmoreCY** · 08-08-2009, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Aclone

And that's why Jesse Smith is now 6'3" and runs a 4.5 40?

Let's get real. Improvement can be made, but it's usually marginal. And improving already fast kids actually keeps them ahead of slower kids, because they were already ahead of the curve.

I agree. In most cases a S & C staff can enhance the athletic ability... helping them reach their potential, but not really changing how athletic they are.
The ability of S & C to "make" a lineman is another matter.

**dualthreat** · 08-08-2009, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Aclone

And that's why Jesse Smith is now 6'3" and runs a 4.5 40?

Let's get real. Improvement can be made, but it's usually marginal. And improving already fast kids actually keeps them ahead of slower kids, because they were already ahead of the curve.

point taken. I didn't mean to include size in my argument, but my other statement remains. I would just caution a coach who would skip over a talented on the field player, such as a corner back who makes lots of tackles, has lots of INTs etc., but only runs a 4.6 in the 40. Most coaches would not take a chance on him if they don't think they can develop his speed. A coach who empasizes speed development could have that player running a 4.4 in one years time with an excellent speed program

**cy2win** · 08-08-2009, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by jdewaard

Everyone knows that the internet adds a few pounds. That's just the nature of the beast.

**Bigguns** · 08-08-2009, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by dualthreat

point taken. I didn't mean to include size in my argument, but my other statement remains. I would just caution a coach who would skip over a talented on the field player, such as a corner back who makes lots of tackles, has lots of INTs etc., but only runs a 4.6 in the 40. Most coaches would not take a chance on him if they don't think they can develop his speed. A coach who empasizes speed development could have that player running a 4.4 in one years time with an excellent speed program

.2 in a year is not impossible but if you already run a 4.6 dropping to 4.4 is pretty amazing. Those combine Dr.'s that make gains like that usually do it buy working on their starts and form which usually makes less than a .1 of a second difference. The other stuff they do has to do with over speed training. Over speed training has very little residual effect and is a great way to make it seem like you are a lot faster than you really are. When in reality after a few weeks you true top speed will return back to normal.