paul rhodes already better than danny mac??!!

**Cyclone29** · 08-19-2009, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by MontyBurns

Pollard's 4 years: FB: 9-27 (.250) overall, 3-21 (.125) Big XII, 0 bowls. MBB: 44-51 (.463) overall, 14-34 (.292) Big XII, 0 NCAA's, 0 NIT's -- and counting!

Prior 4 years: FB 23-27 (.460) overall, 12-20 (.375) Big XII, 3 bowls. MBB: 70-51 (.579) overall, 27-37 (.450) Big XII, 1 NCAA, 2 NIT's.
Thank you for The Next Big Step!

This is helping us as a CYCLONE NATION in what way???? Ditch the hate bro. Find a positive outlook. We are undefeated so far this year!

**superdorf** · 08-19-2009, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Aclone

C'mon, Monty, we all know that CPR couldn't be as good as Mac, and won't take us to any bowl games. You said it yourself, Jamie Pollard hired him.

Originally Posted by Cyclone29

This is helping us as a CYCLONE NATION in what way???? Ditch the hate bro. Find a positive outlook. We are undefeated so far this year!

Thanks guys... I would say the same thing... but Monty ignores me!

**IceCyIce** · 08-19-2009, 10:35 PM

Coach Mac did something that very few coaches could do with far less resources. Mac and CPR should not be able to be compared because they are not coaching on the same level "playing field". Yes the turf is the same but the facilities are different, the expectations are higher now, coaches salaries are about double, and Mac inherited a team that couldn't compete in the Texas high schools. So yes your buddy is wrong.

**CyPride** · 08-19-2009, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by prdhawk

i wasnt tryin to start anything i just thought since i am a hawkeye fan i was supposed to post here. on the topic i just couldnt believe i heard that from an isu fan after what he accomplished for you guys, as i said i am a mac fan and always hated facing him.

The same was said about Chizik, and some were even saying it deep into year 2.

**Bobber** · 08-19-2009, 11:19 PM

I think people want Rhoads to be better than Mac, but for cripes sakes we haven't seen him coach one game yet.

Hope he is, but a lot of ground has to be covered before we pass these kind of judgements.

**bfross** · 08-20-2009, 06:21 AM

If CPR wins 7 games against 2010 and 2011's schedule, then you can probably make the argument sooner, otherwise, you need a minimum of 5 years.

**swammi** · 08-20-2009, 08:25 AM

Remains to be seen. Nobody is a better coach with no games than some other coach who actually has a record.

I heard Iowa was putting a lawyer on staff at the athletic department. Is that true? Maybe it's just a liaison, somebody from the public defender's office?

**Cyrocks** · 08-20-2009, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by ISUCY23

its to early to tell, and like you i am a big Dan McCarney supporter, he built ISU football from the ground up

Originally Posted by IceCyIce

Coach Mac did something that very few coaches could do with far less resources. Mac and CPR should not be able to be compared because they are not coaching on the same level "playing field". Yes the turf is the same but the facilities are different, the expectations are higher now, coaches salaries are about double, and Mac inherited a team that couldn't compete in the Texas high schools. So yes your buddy is wrong.

Rhoads will have to prove himself as a head coach in order for me to make any comparisons. I was falling all over myself with the hiring of Chizik. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice....

I, too, have a lot of respect for Mac, however IceCyIce and ISUCy23, I have to take issue just a bit with a couple of your statements.

Walden had to literally build the football program up from the ground up after the Jim Criner era. The NCAA stripped ISU of some scholarships for rules violations and Walden nearly spent his entire career with less scholarship players than other the other Big 8 teams -- and without the support of the administration.

His coaching record was 28-57-3 in seven years, which is pretty comparable to Mac's 11 year record of 56-85-(and a couple of ties).

I think people got a little tired of Walden making excuses. I thought they were valid excuses, but no one likes to hear someone complain about it all the time.

Walden's tough year was 1990 when Blaise Bryant and Chris Pederson were both injured in the Minnesota game and ISU lost 20-16. They didn't play against Iowa the next week, and Iowa State lost 45-35. They did, however, upset No. 16 Oklahoma in Norman later that year with a healthy lineup. ISU finished 4-6-1

Sorry to have derailed the thread a bit.

Rhoads seems to be making all the right moves right now. Let's see how it all pays off.

**Al_4_State** · 08-20-2009, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by kingcy

I agree, but Dan could get a team fired up like no other, I think some forget that and forget how huge that was in some games.

ONLY against Iowa. How many times did they come out totally flat in games they needed to win and just completely **** the bed?

I remember as a kid, just praying that the Clones would come out swinging against a Big 12 big boy, and just watch the team roll over did. In big games too. Lots of times they did it against inferior opponents as well. Dan only seemed to have them really riled when playing Iowa. For every Iowa game there was an 02 UCONN, an 02 Oklahoma, an 04 A&M, an 05 Baylor, an 06 UNI (didn't deserve the "win"), a any year against Nebraska outside 02/04, and the list goes on....

**Jonecy** · 08-20-2009, 09:35 AM

I think CPR himself would laugh at this question even being asked......there's no question DMac is better than PR at this point - what has PR done as a HC?

**CycloneErik** · 08-20-2009, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Aclone

We know what Mac's flaws were. Right now, CPR doubtless has some, but we have no idea what they are...

That's a real good point. Right now, we're in the fun (honeymoon) stage where we look forward to what CPR can do, but we don't know the whole story. We'll find out his real strengths and weaknesses soon enough.

I'm sure we'll see some of the strengths when we make bisonburgers in a couple of weeks.

**CycloneErik** · 08-20-2009, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by swammi

Remains to be seen. Nobody is a better coach with no games than some other coach who actually has a record.

I heard Iowa was putting a lawyer on staff at the athletic department. Is that true? Maybe it's just a liaison, somebody from the public defender's office?

They have a job opening on higheredjobs.com, and it sounded like it might fit that description, potentially.

**dosry5** · 08-20-2009, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

That's a real good point. Right now, we're in the fun (honeymoon) stage where we look forward to what CPR can do, but we don't know the whole story. We'll find out his real strengths and weaknesses soon enough.

I'm sure we'll see some of the strengths when we make bisonburgers in a couple of weeks.

I KNEW you worked in fast food!

**CycloneErik** · 08-20-2009, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by swammi

Remains to be seen. Nobody is a better coach with no games than some other coach who actually has a record.

I heard Iowa was putting a lawyer on staff at the athletic department. Is that true? Maybe it's just a liaison, somebody from the public defender's office?

Off-topic, but here's the link to that posting:

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