paul rhodes already better than danny mac??!!

**cygrads** · 08-20-2009, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclone29

Rhoads def. lost that game to a quarterback who is still an NFL quarter who now is competing with Brett Favre for a starting spot at the Vikings.

In 2001, his defensive unit ranked among the nation's top 30 in five different categories at season's end. Additionally, Pitt finished with 38 quarterback sacks. In 2002, the Panthers defense ranked among the nation's top 25 in an impressive seven different categories. 2004 Big East Champs. Also impressive was he coached 2 kids to be 1st team all American LB's, 2 academic all American DL's, 2 Defensive player of the year awards and 1 scholar-Athlete of the year award. Topping it off with a first round draft pick CB.

These are the kinda stats I think he is capable of again after seeing that he went to a team (pitt) much like mac did with ISU that hadnt been to a bowl game in quite some time. 1 in 11 years before he started at DC at pitt to be exact. To say he is better than mac right now is gonna be a matter of opinion but Id say he is more than off to a great start to passing up mac in his future at ISU. In my mind that should be everyones hope and goal. I bet Mac would wish the same.

To me that is one of Mac's greatest traits is he is actually rooting for CPR to suceed - Mac is a class act.

**prdhawk** · 08-20-2009, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Clonehomer

What McCarney did for ISU has been quickly forgotten by a lot of fans around here. I know that by the time that ISU and McCarney parted ways that a portion of the fanbase was sick of the positive spin by Dan, but lets not forget that he put every drop of sweat and emotion into this program to get it to the point that we could talk about bowl games. I love what coach Rhoads has said and done here so far, but it pales in comparison to what McCarney accomplished while here.

totally agree with this statement, i feel that a lot of hawk fans are the same way when they start the fire ferentz crap when he loses a couple games, people forget what he has done since he took over at iowa. i guess its just one of those what have you done for me lately deals.

**cyhiphopp** · 08-20-2009, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by prdhawk

totally agree with this statement, i feel that a lot of hawk fans are the same way when they start the fire ferentz crap when he loses a couple games, people forget what he has done since he took over at iowa. i guess its just one of those what have you done for me lately deals.

If Iowa fires Captain Kirk, they would deserve any and all losses that would follow.

**swammi** · 08-20-2009, 01:25 PM

Erik, I was yanking prdhawk's chain with this post. Do you really think the University needs someone with legal training to tell them the stuff their athletes are getting arrested for is illegal? Their track recorde on legal advisors is not good. They sacrificed the last one. The successful applicant is advised to avoid signing any long term leases.

**GoShow97** · 08-20-2009, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by cyhiphopp

and won a few that we probably should not have. .

Please list these games. I can't think of a single one.

**Tornado man** · 08-20-2009, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by GoShow97

Please list these games. I can't think of a single one.

Several of the Iowa games come to mind - Mac outcoached Fry and Ferentz.

**cyhiphopp** · 08-20-2009, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by GoShow97

Please list these games. I can't think of a single one.

Come to think of it, you are right. We really did not have win any real upsets under Mac, we just lost upsets. Thinking back on all of Macs best wins, ISU had the talent to win all of them, including all of the wins vs. Iowa and Nebraska.

**Cyhart** · 08-20-2009, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

Several of the Iowa games come to mind - Mac outcoached Fry and Ferentz.

Hmm.....can't necessarily agree with this. Mac "outmotivated" Ferentz perhaps. That and one year Mr Seneca Wallace did the rest.
With that said, motivating is part of coaching I guess!

**cyhiphopp** · 08-20-2009, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Cyhart

Hmm.....can't necessarily agree with this. Mac "outmotivated" Ferentz perhaps. That and one year Mr Seneca Wallace did the rest.
With that said, motivating is part of coaching I guess!

Yeah, I am not sure if there were many times that Mac out schemed his opponent. I also don't think any of those Iowa teams had vastly better talent than ISU.

**mt85** · 08-20-2009, 01:50 PM

I appreciate the effort that DM gave at ISU, but if DM is the standard for excellence then I might as well find a new school to support.

This is just my opinion, but I find that far more Hawk fans seem disappointed that DM is no longer at ISU than ISU fans.

I want to strive for more than mediocrity. I hope that PR is the guy that can get us there.

If your biggest rival misses your coach, that probably isn't a good sign

**Tornado man** · 08-20-2009, 01:55 PM

I love how people think Mac just clapped his hands and gave great speeches - good god. Ask anyone who really knows football - like maybe a former Mac player - or Paul Rhoads, who virtually copies him in practice drills and organization, recruiting philsophy, etc. - if Mac knew "schemes" or not.

**cyhiphopp** · 08-20-2009, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by mt85

I appreciate the effort that DM gave at ISU, but if DM is the standard for excellence then I might as well find a new school to support.

This is just my opinion, but I find that far more Hawk fans seem disappointed that DM is no longer at ISU than ISU fans.

I want to strive for more than mediocrity. I hope that PR is the guy that can get us there.

If your biggest rival misses your coach, that probably isn't a good sign

I think the iowa fans respected him, especially as a former Hawkeye player and coach. I respect his as well, but he was not a great coach. He was a cheerleader and motivator. Good kind of coach to have if you have the coordinators and staff to handle the X's and O's for you. Bad if you have to depend on motivation being your main weapon. If Mac ever ran an innovative offense like Herman will be running, motivation would just be icing on the cake. Instead, Mac's playcalling seemed very predictable and at many times, overly conservative. Mac played not to lose in a lot of games and blew several chances at great seasons with his best talent.

**cyhiphopp** · 08-20-2009, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

I love how people think Mac just clapped his hands and gave great speeches - good god. Ask anyone who really knows football - like maybe a former Mac player - or Paul Rhoads, who virtually copies him in practice drills and organization, recruiting philsophy, etc. - if Mac knew "schemes" or not.

Who do you think Mac out-coached? What games did we win against superior talent? I really liked the guy, but I came away dissapointed a lot too.

**Tornado man** · 08-20-2009, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by GoShow97

Please list these games. I can't think of a single one.

After pondering this, how about:

2001 - Winning at Mizzou, 20-14
2002 - Beating Nebraska at home, 36-14; we were #19, Huskers were #20, yet we were underdogs.
2002 - Beating Iowa in IC, 36-31; yep, same Iowa team that went to Orange Bowl.
2004 - Beating Nebraska again at home, 34-27
2004 - Beating defending Big 12 champion K-State at Manahattan, 37-23, breaking 10-game losing streak to KSU.
2005 - Beating #22 Colorado at home, 30-16. People talk about the choke job the following week, but forget about this upset to get us there.

And, for all the Mac haters, here's the biggest "upset" of all: Mac being voted Big 12 Coach of the Year in 2004 by conference coaches!

**Bobber** · 08-20-2009, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

After pondering this, how about:

2001 - Winning at Mizzou, 20-14
2002 - Beating Nebraska at home, 36-14; we were #19, Huskers were #20, yet we were underdogs.
2002 - Beating Iowa in IC, 36-31; yep, same Iowa team that went to Orange Bowl.
2004 - Beating Nebraska again at home, 34-27
2004 - Beating defending Big 12 champion K-State at Manahattan, 37-23, breaking 10-game losing streak to KSU.
2005 - Beating #22 Colorado at home, 30-16. People talk about the choke job the following week, but forget about this upset to get us there.

And, for all the Mac haters, here's the biggest "upset" of all: Mac being voted Big 12 Coach of the Year in 2004 by conference coaches!

+1

He does deserve more respect than he's getting..