Flashback...Iowa State vs Kansas 2005

[delt4cy]

This is kind of like arguing about the tallest midget, but I'm not sure ISU has more tradition than KU.

All time record:
ISU: 476 - 556 - 46
KU: 568 - 549 - 58

Bowl Games and Record:
ISU: 9 games; 2 - 7
KU: 12 games; 6 - 6

Head-to-Head:
KU leads 48 - 34 - 6

I agree with the little wang swinging contest statement.....

but, your stats are from 2009 back. The arguably greatest 3-year span in KU football history is 2006-Present. I think the original point was, at that time, the only program with less tradition. KU is def. ahead of ISU today.

If you rewind to 2005 though, I would argue that ISU was a better program and did in fact have more tradition. (and lets not kid ourselves, tradition at either school doesn't exist pre-2000 for the most part) The atmosphere, attendence, facilities, at KU were abysimal at that time. I would guess season ticket sales were in the 20-25k range.

IMO the rammifications of that game were monumentous. (as the following 3-years is evidence)

ISU wins, goes to the Big 12 Champ game, followed by a curb stomping by Texas, followed by who knows. (that was the next echelon McCarney could never get to)

ISU wins, KU doesn't make a bowl, Mangino is possibly out of a job, and the dominos potentially continue.

It's all a what if scenario, but unfortunately we sit on the wrong side of the equation.

[trajanJ]

KU was in the infant stage of trying to build football at that time. I think KU would have gotten better with or without Mangino because they finally had an AD that made it a priority and tapped into the financial potential that was there all along. But that game & Mangino have helped boost the timetable. KU still has a long ways to go. If your stadium holds under 75,000 it's hard to brag about football, but every year they keep building and from what I hear the stadium is next. If they keep winning, the KC market will fill up that stadium even if they expand it quite a bit. You have to remember that KU never went to two bowl games in a row in their history so even after a good year the fans expected a losing season the next because that's what they have seen for 100 years.

As far as tradition goes KU still has very little, the Orange Bowl victory helped but when your a school that had someone like Gale Sayers and he couldn't even win, you have a ways to go. Basketball always hurts KU's football popularity just because it's going to be next to impossible for football to live up to those kind of standards. Even when KU went 12-1 and won the Orange Bowl basketball trumped it with a National Championship. But basketball also brings in so much money that it helps quite a bit with all the new facilities and there are plenty of grads living 30 minutes away to support football. I have season football tickets, but not basketball because I wasn't willing to pay the annual $5,000 or $6,000 to get tickets that would put me in the top corner of Allen Field House. Right now you can get football tickets without having to donate to the Williams Fund. They aren't very good seats but your in the stadium and if they keep winning I see more and more people doing that. It's baby steps, but that ISU/KU game was probably the start of those steps.