Rivals: Arnaud/Tiller #40 QB combo

**kucyclone** · 09-01-2009, 06:26 PM

Others on the schedule:

#41 Stanzi/Vandenberg
#120 (dead last) Army
#117 Kent State
#104 K-State
#4 Kansas
#77 Mizzou
#72 Nebraska
#88 Colorado
#34 Texas A&M
#18 Baylor
#5 Okie State

edit: forgot the link - http://collegefootball.rivals.com/co...asp?CID=982689

**gocubs2118** · 09-01-2009, 06:42 PM

I think we have more than enough weapons.

**CyCloned** · 09-01-2009, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by kucyclone

Others on the schedule:

#41 Stanzi/Vandenberg
#120 (dead last) Army
#117 Kent State
#104 K-State
#4 Kansas
#77 Mizzou
#72 Nebraska
#88 Colorado
#34 Texas A&M
#18 Baylor
#5 Okie State

edit: forgot the link - Rivals.com College Football - Ranking the QB tandems: Experience matters

Texas A&M's QB would not be on that list if the Cyclones didn't make the starter last year look like Brett Farve on his best day.

**SaxaCLONE13** · 09-01-2009, 07:25 PM

TTU and Taylor Potts @ 21?
Duke and ??? @ 30?
ahead of USC!?

**clonedude** · 09-01-2009, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by kucyclone

Others on the schedule:

#41 Stanzi/Vandenberg
#120 (dead last) Army
#117 Kent State
#104 K-State
#4 Kansas
#77 Mizzou
#72 Nebraska
#88 Colorado
#34 Texas A&M
#18 Baylor
#5 Okie State

edit: forgot the link - Rivals.com College Football - Ranking the QB tandems: Experience matters

If Stanzi/Vandenburg are #41, then Arnaud/Tiller should be a lot better than #40 IMO. Anyone in their right mind would take Arnaud over Stanzi, not by a lot but he's still better, and I don't know of anyone besides Vandenburg's parents that would seriously rather have Vandenburg over Tiller.

**jdoggivjc** · 09-01-2009, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by SaxaCLONE13

TTU and Taylor Potts @ 21?
Duke and ??? @ 30?
ahead of USC!?

Well, keep in mind - USC IS starting a freshman...

**Billups06** · 09-01-2009, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by clonedude

If Stanzi/Vandenburg are #41, then Arnaud/Tiller should be a lot better than #40 IMO. Anyone in their right mind would take Arnaud over Stanzi, not by a lot but he's still better, and I don't know of anyone besides Vandenburg's parents that would seriously rather have Vandenburg over Tiller.

I'm going to get ripped for this post.....

I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss Stanzi...He shared time last year with Jake, and has smooth natural release... Arnaud had good games last year, but it wasn't anything defenses couldn't handle. Maybe these receivers will change that....and hoping Arnaud will prove it on the field that he is the better quarterback and one that defense's need special preparation for.

**hawkeyescott** · 09-01-2009, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by clonedude

If Stanzi/Vandenburg are #41, then Arnaud/Tiller should be a lot better than #40 IMO. Anyone in their right mind would take Arnaud over Stanzi, not by a lot but he's still better, and I don't know of anyone besides Vandenburg's parents that would seriously rather have Vandenburg over Tiller.

Career Stats for both:

Tiller: 0 attempts, 0 completions, 0 passing yards, 0 rushing yards
Vandenburg: 0 attempts, 0 completions, 0 passing yards, 0 rushing yards

Yeah I can see how you would make that statement.

**SaxaCLONE13** · 09-01-2009, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

Well, keep in mind - USC IS starting a freshman...

Yeah I realize this but lets think about it this way, Potts is a junior and FINALLY starting (because Graham isn't there anymore). Barkley is a true freshman and can go into a system like USC AND START! I just can't say that Potts is better than Barkley...

**CyPride** · 09-01-2009, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by hawkeyescott

Career Stats for both:

Tiller: 0 attempts, 0 completions, 0 passing yards, 0 rushing yards
Vandenburg: 0 attempts, 0 completions, 0 passing yards, 0 rushing yards

Yeah I can see how you would make that statement.

But I've seen Tiller throw it 75 yards from his knees. I'm shocked he hasn't been named starter this year yet. Coaches might be waiting for the real season to begin before naming the real QB - who really knows at this point.

**Al_4_State** · 09-01-2009, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Billups06

I'm going to get ripped for this post.....

I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss Stanzi...He shared time last year with Jake, and has smooth natural release... Arnaud had good games last year, but it wasn't anything defenses couldn't handle. Maybe these receivers will change that....and hoping Arnaud will prove it on the field that he is the better quarterback and one that defense's need special preparation for.

Arnaud is a much better runner than Stanzi, and did not have the benefit of a Doak Walker Award, and a top 10 offensive line. As far as other defenses being unable to handle him, well, he dropped 440 on K-State, and over 300 on both Mizzou and A&M. It's not Arnaud's fault that the defense sucks as much as he's good. Last time I checked, allowing 440 yards isn't exactly handling somebody.

For the quarterback combo of a 2-10 team to be ahead of that of an 8-4 team (both in BCS conferences) is quite a compliment.

**jdoggivjc** · 09-01-2009, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by SaxaCLONE13

Yeah I realize this but lets think about it this way, Potts is a junior and FINALLY starting (because Graham isn't there anymore). Barkley is a true freshman and can go into a system like USC AND START! I just can't say that Potts is better than Barkley...

Anybody that starts for USC is going to be an excellent QB IMO. But let's put it this way - Barkley isn't starting at USC as a freshman because he's this superior talent, he's starting because he's the best option. Yeah, I know that sounds weird, but let me explain it further - Barkley's not starting because he's a Tebow-like talent, he's starting because he's a Stanzi-like talent, which just happens to be better than what else is available. If Carroll had the choice, he wouldn't be starting Barkley. But obviously, he doesn't have that choice.

**LeSchmick** · 09-01-2009, 08:37 PM

The real question is, "how is baylor at 18?"

**SaxaCLONE13** · 09-01-2009, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

Anybody that starts for USC is going to be an excellent QB IMO. But let's put it this way - Barkley isn't starting at USC as a freshman because he's this superior talent, he's starting because he's the best option. Yeah, I know that sounds weird, but let me explain it further - Barkley's not starting because he's a Tebow-like talent, he's starting because he's a Stanzi-like talent, which just happens to be better than what else is available. If Carroll had the choice, he wouldn't be starting Barkley. But obviously, he doesn't have that choice.

That's very true. You have a valid point. But if you took Potts and put him at USC, I really don't think he would even be backup! I think he would be 3rd string at best.

**dunar** · 09-01-2009, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by LeSchmick

The real question is, "how is baylor at 18?"

I'd say Griffin by himself brought that number way up. Herbstreit has him 5th best dual-threat behind Tebow, McCoy, Pryor, and Robinson. Not that Kirk knows everything, but that is quite a group of talent!