"We want tiller"

[3GenClone]

Those are nice stats and all, but that was against mostly Conference USA defenses. How did Rice fare against BCS schools?

I posted this in another thread, but here are Herman's stats against the Big 12 while he was at Rice:

2007 Rice Vs. Baylor (Final Baylor 42-Rice 17)
First downs 21
Total yards 349
Passing yards 239 (23-30 att.)
Interceptions 1
Time of Poss. 32:48

2007 Rice Vs. Texas Tech (Final Tech 59-Rice 24)
First downs 25
Total yards 311
Passing yards 212 (20-38 att.)
Interceptions 1
Time of Poss. 31:03

2007 Rice vs Texas (Final Texas 58-Rice 14)
First Downs 17
Total Yards 268 (Rice had -11 rush yds)
Passing Yards 279 (23-38)
Interceptions 2
Time of Poss. 32:12

2008 Rice vs. Texas (Texas 52-Rice 10)
First Downs 19
Total Yards 318
Passing Yards 301 (30-48 att.)
Interceptions 0
Time of Poss. 30:04

Pass heavy and control the clock. No wins against the Big 12, but I will say that there was improvement against Texas both times Rice played them (too bad you couldn't tell it from the scoreboard).

[DarkStar]

Here is what has me wondering about what is going on at QB.

I am not buying the “He had a bad day argument.” I thought AA actually played a better game against Iowa than NDSU. The difference being he faced a defense that capitalized on many of the mistakes he was making.

Take the first interception as an example. First drive of the NDSU game, same play and he makes the same throw behind his receiver. The NDSU back does not make the play to get the interception but the UI guy does. This was the same bad throw but with a different result because of who we were facing.

The major improvement I saw was his exchanges with ARob. No fumbles or getting tangled up with him when he is running. It just looked a lot cleaner the last game than the NDSU game.

I think AA needs to lose the “As I go so goes the Cyclones” mindset and just focus on being the best QB he can be. Once he does that then he will get his mechanics back and start making better decisions.

[Al_4_State]

Here is what has me wondering about what is going on at QB.

I am not buying the “He had a bad day argument.” I thought AA actually played a better game against Iowa than NDSU. The difference being he faced a defense that capitalized on many of the mistakes he was making.

Take the first interception as an example. First drive of the NDSU game, same play and he makes the same throw behind his receiver. The NDSU back does not make the play to get the interception but the UI guy does. This was the same bad throw but with a different result because of who we were facing.

The major improvement I saw was his exchanges with ARob. No fumbles or getting tangled up with him when he is running. It just looked a lot cleaner the last game than the NDSU game.

I think AA needs to lose the “As I go so goes the Cyclones” mindset and just focus on being the best QB he can be. Once he does that then he will get his mechanics back and start making better decisions.

NO. He complete 16 passes against NDSU, which is far better than what he did against Iowa. Are the Iowa dbacks more likely to pick off his errant throws than NDSU? Of course, but he threw alot more of those errant passes against Iowa, too.

[jdoggivjc]

Well he does only have a .5 winning percentage

By winning % that probably makes Rhoads the best coach in ISU history...

[jdoggivjc]

Against Conference USA defenses with Conference USA offenses. Oh wait, I'm sorry, did a little fact get in the way of what was going to turn into a Pollard whine fest? The system isn't the problem.

You know, once you accept the fact that Monty is just a "poser" who posts on this site, so much of his ******** makes much more sense...

[Al_4_State]

You know, once you accept the fact that Monty is just a "poser" who posts on this site, so much of his ******** makes much more sense...

I know that, I just want him to admit that he's a little *****, who is the shining definition of "troll".

[jdoggivjc]

I know that, I just want him to admit that he's a little *****, who is the shining definition of "troll".

It used to be common knowledge that he is the shining definition of troll (in fact, if memory serves, he was disowned on Hawkeye boards because he pulled the same kind of crap with them that he's pulling here now). Unfortunately, people seem to have forgotten what he's really all about...

[CyinCo]

There was a guy over my shoulder during the NDSU game that kept yelling "Put in Bo Williams!" Then he would say to his buddy..."if he was good enough for Florida, he's good enough for ISU".

[jdoggivjc]

There was a guy over my shoulder during the NDSU game that kept yelling "Put in Bo Williams!" Then he would say to his buddy..."if he was good enough for Florida, he's good enough for ISU".

...considering ARob has been the problem with the offense this season.

[CyinCo]

...considering ARob has been the problem with the offense this season.

I'll admit that I'm a geek about ISU sports. I spend waayyyyyy too much time reading up on players, practices, opponents etc. I'm certainly at one extreme of the bell curve. However, I cannot stand the completely uninformed fan blurting out crap as if they know what is best. It is a huge pet peeve.

[Wesley]

Tom Herman's offense is so bad that last year Chase Clement threw for 44 TDS and 7INTs.

Tom Herman's offense is so bad that two years ago Chase Clement threw for 30 TDS and 10INTs.

Tom Herman's offense is so bad that last year Rice was Top 10 in all major offensive categories.

Anyone that says the problem is with the overall scheme of this offense is a whining imbecile...

To make it work for big yardage, the qb needs to execute.

[DarkStar]

NO. He complete 16 passes against NDSU, which is far better than what he did against Iowa. Are the Iowa dbacks more likely to pick off his errant throws than NDSU? Of course, but he threw alot more of those errant passes against Iowa, too.

Thank you for the gentle response to my first post. It was a very insightful and enlightening rebuttal to my less than mainstream position.

One of the points I was trying to make is you just can’t just look at the stat sheet and say he played better or worse. He faced a lot better defense and that is going to drive down all of his stats.

The Second point I was trying to make is I didn’t think he played all that great in the first game as well as the second game. He has not settled into this offense yet.

In the first game, his passing and running games were out of sync. The improvement I saw was he settled down in the running game. The passing game is still out of sync. I am open to the argument that the running game looked better because Iowa was not really challenging the running game.

My opinion on the cause of the problem is AA is trying to do too much. I think he needs to back off on the mindset that he is the reason why we will win or lose a game. I think if he just worries about being the best QB he can be then the rest will follow. But that is my opinion.

[DarkStar]

Sorry about the font size on that last post. Still getting use to the settings.

[heitclone]

So, am I allowed to support both QB's? I think its a no brainer that AA is the guy for rest of this year and more than likely next year but I'm optimistic about what Tiller could develop into. He's really raw now but with a couple years in system and maybe some spot duty every once awhile I think he could be really special.

[Tre4ISU]

I'll admit that I'm a geek about ISU sports. I spend waayyyyyy too much time reading up on players, practices, opponents etc. I'm certainly at one extreme of the bell curve. However, I cannot stand the completely uninformed fan blurting out crap as if they know what is best. It is a huge pet peeve.

O man do i know what you're saying there. It drives me crazy in the student section. I wish I could just be in a little box with people that maybe knew what was going on. The worst and no offense because they aren't all this way are girls that think they have an idea of whats going on, however they don't even know the player's correct name and position. Actually, at the Iowa game there was a guy behind us that said, and I can't make this **** up, that Money was basically worthless and we needed someone in there that could do something with the ball. This after he caught a screen and immediately had 4 guys on him. I got so mad that I turned around and politely told him to shut the **** up if he knew nothing about football or this team.