Darks, Reynolds, Johnson

**Dolokaju** · 09-20-2009, 08:26 PM

Darks injury has been bothering him since spring. Sed's was an ankle in week 1. Money was swarmed over pretty bad against Iowa(trying to do to much)...Time will help. Don't give up on any of them.

**keepngoal** · 09-20-2009, 08:36 PM

I am not giving up.... just analyzing..... I see LOTS of up side and potential here, call it a critique if you will

-keep.

**moforisu** · 09-20-2009, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Clonedogg

I hope the passing game hits it's stride in conference play. I agree most of the problems lie with AA look at his completion % way to low for a spread O. His is not very accurate on short timing routes and that is the foundation of the spread passing game. We may end up looking like a west vir. Or mich. Type of spread until we recruit that type of passer

I would agree, lets just hope AA improves.

**andynel88** · 09-20-2009, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by moforisu

I would agree, lets just hope AA improves.

I think the lack of production of Darks and SJ have been written off too much by saying AA "lacks accuracy" in the short game, he's not always hitting guys in stride,but he's not always throwing behind them. Yeah, he laid an egg the Iowa game but it's not like the other two games he's been awful, all of it is not simply on him for "not hitting his guys in stride". There's a lot to be said for 1. getting open (injury or not) and 2. running the right routes precisely. Regardless of the physical tools that SJ or Darks have this offense requires receivers to make proper reads on the D's coverage and run good routes to get open in space. Has there been a ton of times that AA has just not thrown to either DD or SJ while they're wide open on a route under 10 yards?

**dualthreat** · 09-20-2009, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by IcSyU

We've tried. Arnaud has overthrown it a couple times.

Additionally, when we've really tried the stretch the field, Arnaud has hit Sash in stride.

This. (Im not sure who the receiver was) but the last time we tried this- people kicked and screamed at Herman/Arnaud for running such a stupid play...

I bet Arnaud would throw it to any of these guys if they got open

**moforisu** · 09-20-2009, 11:37 PM

Seems to me Austin has thrown many balls into double and triple coverage. He has the ability, just needs to get more comfortable with the offense and relax.

I know, sounds easy doesn't? NOT

**Frak** · 09-20-2009, 11:42 PM

I thought that Sed was going to be our best WR this season. Guess not. IMO he may be kind of a thouroughbred...really good when he's 100% healthy, but some injuries and he's worthless. The team REALLY needs Darks and Johnson back at full strength.

I do like that Herman is going to the running game more. IMO he was getting a little too cute in the first two games.

**ajk4st8** · 09-21-2009, 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by Frak

I thought that Sed was going to be our best WR this season. Guess not. IMO he may be kind of a thouroughbred...really good when he's 100% healthy, but some injuries and he's worthless. The team REALLY needs Darks and Johnson back at full strength.

I do like that Herman is going to the running game more. IMO he was getting a little too cute in the first two games.

I guess I was HOPING he would be a good receiver, but unfortunately did nothing last year for me to think he would be that great this year. Although hes way too young to be giving up on, I just thought he would have done more by now.

**cyclonenum1** · 09-21-2009, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Aclone

You can't say that you don't see much ISU football, then make an extremely negative comment about the quarterback. Either you have seen him play a lot, enough to judge, or you haven't--and by your own admission, you haven't. Simple enough.

Good grief--a little juvenile, aren't we?

Did you read my post?

"I don't get to see much ISU FB...only saw the Iowa debacle...but clearly a receiver has to have a QB that can get the ball to him and more importantly get it to him in a spot where he can do something with it afterwards. From what I saw it seems we don't have much accuracy at the QB position."

My statement is crystal clear...based upon what I saw vs. Iowa his accuracy is lacking.

Nothing in my post was "extremely negative"...unless the simple fact that he lacked accuracy vs. Iowa can be construed as negative...however, it was a simple fact.

I'm curious what your requirement for "judging" a player is? See every snap in person? At any rate, I was simply making an observation.

On last thing, based upon what I saw, we should pass less and run more...including having the QB running the ball a lot.

**CYCLNST8** · 09-21-2009, 12:51 PM

Dink & dunk- correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that was Herman's mantra along with "take what the defense gives you." To this point ARob has been tearing it up. I've never seen a fan base so upset about a productive ground game. No need to waste downs throwing Hail Marys. We'll take the 5 yard passes and off tackle runs if the safeties are gonna play deep all day.

**isuno1fan** · 09-21-2009, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by pulse

As far as the passing game goes, a few of those balls that were thrown behind, the receivers hadn't even stopped yet when AA releases the ball. So there is obvious a disconnect as to the timing of where the receiver was going to be.

There were about 4-5 of these in the 2nd half against Kent State. They were driving me nuts. Honestly...I think it was AA throwing the ball in the wrong place (way behind the receiver).

**Clonebydesign** · 09-21-2009, 01:11 PM

Maybe the nicknames have gotten to the WR's heads. I guess until one or more of them have 100 yards in a game their just maybe average at best. It hurts but some posters way over hype some players in to All-Americans when they just aren’t. Compare the stats to other pass teams and see where some of them are.

**Bader** · 09-21-2009, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by CYCLNST8

Dink & dunk- correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that was Herman's mantra along with "take what the defense gives you." To this point ARob has been tearing it up. I've never seen a fan base so upset about a productive ground game. No need to waste downs throwing Hail Marys. We'll take the 5 yard passes and off tackle runs if the safeties are gonna play deep all day.

I think the problem is that people around here are expecting insta Rice/Mizzou/Kansas no-huddle spread attack. We FINALLY have a staff that is not playing "square peg round hole"...*shudder*, and somehow people are upset about it.

Yes Austen has got to be more accurate. We all know he's got the arm strength to bomb it down field, but what's the point if he can't hit a guy in stride 7 yards away from him? He will get there as he gets more comfortable in this system. Herman has talked about how excitable the kid is, and we all saw that in the Iowa game. The crowd got him jacked up to an extreme and he couldn't settle himself down.

The success in the run game is going to accerelate this transition as defenses will have to key in on ARob and allow Austen those short routes, THEN it's up to the recievers to take it downfield. We'll get there

**pulse** · 09-21-2009, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by isuno1fan

There were about 4-5 of these in the 2nd half against Kent State. They were driving me nuts. Honestly...I think it was AA throwing the ball in the wrong place (way behind the receiver).

One clearly sticks out to me, because it happened right in front of me. AA threw the ball and the receiver wasn't even looking back or had broken off his route yet to turn around. I wouldn't put every single one of those on AA, considering he's the one who is shouting out the calls, and he should know the plays better than anyone. From what I saw and heard from the receivers and Herman, the receiving corps certainly shares the blame.