Are we recruiting a Juco Quarterback

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Originally Posted by yaman3

Man have I about had it with ignorant people posting about AAs ability to throw the ball and the fact we need someone else. AA has been the only stable thing from last year to this year. Remove him and then you lose that. It is very hard to complete passes when your receivers are not open. I thought he looked a lot better yesterday than he has. It looks to me like he has a lot of trouble with a 5 yard out or curl and I don't know why he hops them in. I have faith that he will return to the form of late last year. Things with a new offense don't happen overnight. I think it is pretty idiotic to think Tiller would be better for us than Arnaud since we haven't hardly seen him play and when he has he hasn't done much of anything with no pressure on him.

How come you guys can talk about all of the bad throws he makes but no one ever mentiong the 5 yard scrambles he has to move the chains?

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The 5-yard scrambles are what he brings to the table. I'm not on the bandwagon to replace him, as I'm pretty sure Tiller isn't the cure - at least yet. I think Jerome throws a nicer ball, and is a lot quicker, but that is only part of the equation. I have seen very few QB's able to move a pile like Arnaud, and I'm not convinced that Tiller as of yet has developed the capability to make all the necessary reads. Arnauds running ability certainly make up for what he lacks otherwise.

Everyone talks about the bad throws because they are frustrating, often resulting in killed drives. If he's not under pressure, and has time to set, he throws a nice ball. But his mechanics have been erratic and he's not been able to throw well on the run.

Bottom line, the QB position is far and away the most difficult position in football to play at a high level. This is because of the need to be able to read and react very quickly. The number of people who posess both the mental and physical tools is very small. A great supporting cast can certainly make a QB's life easier, but it still comes down to having that rare combination of skills. All we can do is give him time to improve and make sure that those around him are doing all they can to make his job easier.

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Originally Posted by Arkansas

I agree with this 100%. I'm not saying Tiller is the answer by any means but at this point we're lacking a qb that will get us anywhere in regards to Big XII play. Hopefully AA will step it up as the season progresses and I'm really hoping for that but it spooks me how eerily this resembles the Bret Meyer situation.

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To Meyer's defense, his formulative years consisted of very poor offensive line play. Because he was constantly running for his life much of his career, he developed "happy feet." And I believe that ruined him.

Robert Griffen beat out Blake Syzmanski at Baylor... Syz had started the previous year
Chris Simms beat out Major Applewhite

Sam Bradford beat out what's his face that ended up transferring

bret meyer beat out chris love and austen flynn

eric crouch beat out bobby newcomb

jerrod johnson beat out steven mcgee (sort of)

zac robinson was second string his first game, then started the following week due to a poor performance by the OSU starter

Ricky Stanzi beat out Jake Christainsen

...bring in some more talent rhoads, for next year or the year after

To me it seems like on every passing play the offense runs, AA has one guy and one guy only to throw it to. He stares that guy down and if he's not open, he usually pulls it down and runs. I have not seen him check down or look to multiple receivers on a play yet this year.

I think what is happen is that Herman basically tells AA that on this play this is the receiver you are throwing it too. Now the question is why is this happening? Does Coach Herman not have faith in AA to give him options on each play?

I like what AA brings to the team in terms of leadership and toughness, but it kills me to see him miss wide open guys by 10 yards or just not see them at all. He seems to be much better at throwing passes across the middle and really struggles with the passes throw to the side, especially the ones he throws to his left. (I am pretty sure the 3 bouncers yesterday were to the left and not real long passes.) He is probably the best we have, but he has to get better, a lot better.

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Originally Posted by tamjam

To me it seems like on every passing play the offense runs, AA has one guy and one guy only to throw it to. He stares that guy down and if he's not open, he usually pulls it down and runs. I have not seen him check down or look to multiple receivers on a play yet this year.

I think what is happen is that Herman basically tells AA that on this play this is the receiver you are throwing it too. Now the question is why is this happening? Does Coach Herman not have faith in AA to give him options on each play?

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There is a progression of reads go from receiver to receiver based on the liklihood that they are open. This is determined by the play called and the defense's allignment. Knowing what these reads are is much easier than completing them all very quickly while on the run with people trying to pound you. Put simply, it is very difficult to do. What most college QB's do is make as many reads as they are capable. For some it's two. Others it's only one. Very few college QBs look off their defenders as it makes the reads even more difficult.

If you can make all the reads in the college game, you're a NFL first rounder.

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Originally Posted by usedcarguy

To Meyer's defense, his formulative years consisted of very poor offensive line play. Because he was constantly running for his life much of his career, he developed "happy feet." And I believe that ruined him.

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I always got ****** when I was in the restroom and heard ignorant fans criticize Bret Meyer. It was EVERY time. No one stopped to think that it might be kind of hard to make a read and throw the ball when there a D lineman hanging on you. It also kills me right now that the same guys are the ones criticizing AA. Has he been great? No. He put us in bad positions against Iowa, but whos to say we would have won anyway. He did not lose the game for us on Saturday. That was done as a unit. I guess we will just have to get used to the fact we always need our #2 QB in.

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Originally Posted by dualthreat

Robert Griffen beat out Blake Syzmanski at Baylor... Syz had started the previous year
Chris Simms beat out Major Applewhite

Sam Bradford beat out what's his face that ended up transferring

bret meyer beat out chris love and austen flynn

eric crouch beat out bobby newcomb

jerrod johnson beat out steven mcgee (sort of)

zac robinson was second string his first game, then started the following week due to a poor performance by the OSU starter

Ricky Stanzi beat out Jake Christainsen

...bring in some more talent rhoads, for next year or the year after

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What's your point? Tiller has not beat Arnaud yet....

I like Tiller, but as one poster noted I'm not sure he's as tough a runner as Arnaud.

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Originally Posted by Bobber

What's your point? Tiller has not beat Arnaud yet....

I like Tiller, but as one poster noted I'm not sure he's as tough a runner as Arnaud.

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I should have quoted the guy who said "AA is our guy until he graduates"

that is not true

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Originally Posted by DRCHIRO

He's pretty bad. Can't make a check ever. Has his mind made up who he is throwing the ball to before its snapped. If there not open he's tucking it away and taking off. He's a decent runner . Kind of slow but effective. To me, he just looks completely lost in the offense.

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Maybe everyone else is completely lost in the passing game. Maybe all of them are somewhat lost in the passing game. Also in regards to the Brett Meyer situation comparisons, I thought that Brett's problems were all Barney Cottons fault. I guess I am totally confused now.

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Originally Posted by yaman3

I always got ****** when I was in the restroom and heard ignorant fans criticize Bret Meyer. It was EVERY time. No one stopped to think that it might be kind of hard to make a read and throw the ball when there a D lineman hanging on you. It also kills me right now that the same guys are the ones criticizing AA. Has he been great? No. He put us in bad positions against Iowa, but whos to say we would have won anyway. He did not lose the game for us on Saturday. That was done as a unit. I guess we will just have to get used to the fact we always need our #2 QB in.

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IMO with Parker, we put enough pressure on them to prevent at least one and probably two of their touchdowns.

His loss is huge.

Not many pro teams would be firing on all 8 cylinders given the uncertainty and coaching changes these young men have been thrown into over the last 2-3 years. The coaches and players are doing the best they can under the circumstances in which they find themselves. A.A. has three offensive schemes running through his head on any given play. Each of the three coaches he has played under has expected him to play different roles in the particular offensive scheme. None of these players deserve what the athletic administration has done to them...

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Originally Posted by clonedog

Not many pro teams would be firing on all 8 cylinders given the uncertainty and coaching changes these young men have been thrown into over the last 2-3 years. The coaches and players are doing the best they can under the circumstances in which they find themselves. A.A. has three offensive schemes running through his head on any given play. Each of the three coaches he has played under has expected him to play different roles in the particular offensive scheme. None of these players deserve what the athletic administration has done to them...

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Yea ummm the last one wasn't their fault. AA was going to learn a new scheme this year one way or another. And what does the administration have to do with poor recruiting and coaching decisions made by the man they call Dan?

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Originally Posted by Bobber

What's your point? Tiller has not beat Arnaud yet....

I like Tiller, but as one poster noted I'm not sure he's as tough a runner as Arnaud.

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you don't have to be a tough runner if you can complete 65+% of your passes......because the coach will stop calling running plays if you can complete a pass.

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Originally Posted by usedcarguy

IMO with Parker, we put enough pressure on them to prevent at least one and probably two of their touchdowns.

His loss is huge.

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IMO, without one of the turnovers (notably the first fumble) we score again and win.

The turnovers are huge.